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More on conspiracy theories Mishari Al-thaidi If it not were for the existence of other races and nations with their own conspiracy theories, I would have thought that the concept was a patented Arab invention. There is innovation and self-preservation in this respect. The habit of falling back on irresponsible answers to explain areas of weakness and negatives is also prevalent. These approaches are a clinical case that requires medical intervention more than just a quite and relaxed discussion. Lets take an example. I think that responsible people have no doubt about the involvement of Muslim fundamentalists in the 9/11 attacks and that it was they who executed "The invasion (Ghazwah) of Manhattan". The evidence is there for all to see. The first is the acknowledgment of Osama Bin Ladin of preparing and executing the 9/11 attacks. In a tape broadcast which aired on an Arabic satellite news channel, Osama can be seen boasting about the attacks to the wheel chair-bound "Abo Sulaiman Alharby", who recently gave him self up to the Saudi authorities in Tehran. This by no means is the only example, the 9/11 highjackers left video taped wills where they proclaimed their reasons for performing the attacks. This coupled with their fundamentalist background brings up a logical question: Who else could have possible done this if it was not al –Qaeda? The matter is not limited to the 9/11 attacks, what about that attacks on the American embassies in Nairobi and Dar Assalam in August 1998 and before that Alolayya attack in the Saudi capital, Riyadh in 1995? What about the attacks on Bali, Casablanca, Jarba, Istanboul and Jakarta? What about the chain of horrible attacks in Saudi Arabia in the last two years? Some of these operations are rather complex, a fact used by some to dispute al –Qaeda’s responsibility at a time when it was being vehemently hunted. And, before all of that, what about the first time al –Qaeda targeted the twin towers in 1993 an operation led by Ramzi Yousif? the son of Khalid Shaikh's sister, one of the Master minds of al –Qaeda network? In fact, our purpose is not to produce compelling evidence about al –Qaeda, Our problem in this aspect is not with al-Qaeda but it is with those who are in denial about al –Qaeda’s involvement. A recent public poll on the Al-Arabia satellite news channel asked the following question on the 3 year anniversary of the 9/11 attacks: " Do you think that there are others, besides Bin Ladin, behind these attacks? A clear and direct question to which the answer should also be clear, but the public it seems has other opinions on the matter. According to the poll 80% believed yes. That is, the majority thinks that it was not al –Qaeda who were solely responsible. Some of the more popular theories include: the Zionists, CIA and even the Neo-Cons! Yes the Neo Conservatives or maybe all those mentioned collaborated together. This way of receiving and comprehending events reflects a collective psychological problem which could be just Muslims attempting to distance themselves from such a horrific act. This is one aspect of the problem. The other is that tragic historical events are usually explained under bizarre circumstances. For example, the death of Princess Diana in car accident is still open to various imagined scenarios: Maybe British intelligence was behind it to prevent an Arab marrying the British Princess of Wales. A point of view, which is as far fetched as the notion that the Neo-Cons were behind the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. The death of the Nazi dictator Adolph Hitler is still open to a lot of speculation, as are the deaths of Elvis Presley, Jamal Abdulnassir, who many believe their deaths were caused by poisoning! Some times truth is too painful to us, and in order not to bleed to death we pour on it a heap of lies that we invent and then end up believing. In addition to this, the abundance of conspiracy theories reflects a paranoid complex and a feeling of persecution which are acute medical conditions haunting many Muslims and Arabs. Many attribute this to Arab failures in the last two centuries and in particular the 20th century that some historians describe as “the century of the great Arab defeats”. This condition was also solidified by the contribution of the political establishment intelligentsia, who were instrumental in planting the seeds of systematic doubt in the minds of the Arabic public. One the strangest theories of come to hear came from a fellow Arab journalist, who told me the following: America has deceived the world, the toppling of Saddam’s statue was staged, and the people cheering and celebrating were fake Iraqis from brought in from America.” Here, the conspiracy theory cuts through the Arab mind horizontally and vertically, and because of the pressure of need, the Arab media try and find anything that will breed doubt in the minds of the Arab reader. With this in mind, we can try to understand the big reception given to the book “9/11: the Big Lie” written by the Frenchman Thierry Meyssan, who’s book reads like a bad Agatha Christie novel. The French intellectual was invited to the Middle East on a book tour, and in the process become a shining star and sold air to our people. The book is an exercise in counter-productivity, because the first step in finding a solution is acknowledging the problem. Continuing to proceed in Smokey circles of doubt and convincing our selves of our own lies will only increase our burden and suffering. Do you remember the endless conspiracy theories involving the Jews, and how they are always “pulling the strings” behind the scenes. What is surprising is that even general human achievements in knowledge and thought have been tied to conspiracies. Darwin, Fraud and Nietzsche have all been tied to different “New World Order” theories over the years. Here is the logic behind this mentality, It says: "The Jews are planning to destroy humanity by way of destroying its religion, ethics, and culture, a fact that many in the west believe in, and that time is uncovering gradually the web of this Satanic conspiracy which the Jews are conniving against humanity. He adds: No doubt that Darwin's theory is a dream they couldn’t have come up with. He continues saying that the Jews hate America, quoting extracts from "The protocols of the wise men of Zion", a book which was proven to have been written by a Russian intelligence officer during Russian Empire and was dismissed by Arab researchers at the time. The important thing is that this man attributes the success of Darwin, Marx and Nitche as a plot arranged by the Jews to inflict an immoral effect on the progress of these sciences that in turn would influence mainstream thought. Such strange ideas even exist in a Masters degree thesis by which the author not only got his master degree, but also social prestige. It is a tragedy to corrupt minds, and to send them in different directions. How can we protect ourselves from a tainted stream of misinformation? That is the challenge! It should be acknowledged that we couldn’t exclude conspiracies in history since they are a part of politics of political quest. but, we are against the fixation that considers all that we know is an inseparable part of conspiracies. Readers Comments on this article: Abu Fahad, i totally agree with the author. The problem with arabs is that they always want to shift the blame. they don't like to bare the responsibility of thier mistakes. Bin Laden himself admittied that he blow up WTC, what do you need more than that???. nobody is going to take responsibility of things they didn't do. but conspiracy theories will continue until the end of the world. last but not least, the GUILTY always make up theories. Ismail, In your article you said "This way of receiving and comprehending events reflects a collective psychological problem which could be just Muslims attempting to distance themselves from such a horrific act" But what you say about americans woh believe 9/11 was the work of their own government and more than 50% Newyorkers believe american government involved in that. FYI go and check the sites http://www.deprogram.info and http://suetheterrorists.net http://suetheterrorists.net/page5.html don't miss Stanley Hilton's interviews. Just don't go on blaming your own people, see the other side of the story as well and remember US government is in total control of the news media(hope Arab news is not one of them) and 90% of the world believe whatever news they get from these sources. A Guest, Thank you, Sir. Coming across such an objective, no-nonsense, analysis by an Arab of his own people was a heart-warming experience. I pray G_d that all people in the Arab World find within their soul the clarity of vision you possess, and so eloquently expressed. Once again, Thank you. Juan, Conspiracies are in my opinion questions. We all question how things are and why, when we do not understand them. In the absence of facts and concrete proof, everything and anything is plausible. Is the earth round? (I personally do not know-but I assume all of the available information that leads me to believe so,..must be true) That said. It is indeed plausible that America was behind the attacks on the WTC. But I say,...to all readers, please be careful in how fast we place the blame. We may learn that a country like China could have been behind the attacks. We all need more investigation. Muhammad Atef, Mr. Al-thaidi I have a theory: Did you ever read "The Manchurian Candidate" by Richard Condon (1959)? Ever heard of MKULTRA? How blind to U.S./CIA manipulation do you think we are? I believe you were raised in the U.S. from birth as part of a CIA experiment, being fed all sorts of misinformation, until your 18th birthday at which time you were released and implanted into a US-manufactured "life" as a seasoned columnist. Your "life" came complete with U.S.-supplied photo albums of your "past", childhood paintings, etc. to be sure. Of course, you're totally unaware of your real past, as you were brainwashed and kept in solitary confinement for so many years. Your mission to cause confusion among conspiracy theorists has been initiated in your subconscious mind remotely, probably via U.S. satellite link, or subliminally while you were watching a speech by George Bush, which has caused you to write this damning article. You cannot trick us Mr. Al-Thaidi! We're on to you! We must be close to the truth with the Americans for them to feel compelled to wake one of their sleeper cells in response! GI Joe, >!Dear Mohammad Atef, I have had the opportunity to read many opinions on conspiracy theories, you Sir are the most disturbed of them all. Please seek professional help in the form of a psychiatric evaluation to begin with. Preferably to be followed up with high doses of antipsychotic medication. > Thank you, > A U.S. Military Operative gumby, The Saddam statue pulldown IS PROVEN to be staged. The other things that you try to discredit are also largely true. You do sound like a CIA agent. Pilgrim, gumbi and atef are very stimulating examples. It is said that "ignorance is bliss..." (allow me to add...) "but stupidity is absolutely euphoric!" The article is well reasoned and those who willfully give themselves over to being duped are to be pittied, even if they are the ones with the guns. Truth is larger than this life and lies and theories don't change it. If we choose not to believe the truth, all we have done is chosen poorly. And don't all religions teach that our choices in this life have an effect on our standing in the next? Does Alla need to advance his cause through human lies? If Alla indeed be true, then those who lie (and they know in their heart who they are) do not serve his cause. Er, Your article Sir is virtually accurate and I cannot find any bias whatsoever. I find your views well-balanced and very humbling to note that you're an Arab and a Muslim by faith. I am afraid what you're saying are all true. I remember our speaker in one of my attendance to Guidance and Counseling Centers here in Saudi, saying the same rhetorics about the CIA conspiracy. This speaker should say something about Islam and the Muslims in general to convince us and so to be converted to Islam but to my dismay, he never say anything about my expectations--that Muslims are God-fearing people also like the Christians. All he said is that the West is a "harlot" of all evils, an enemy of Islam. From this mindset, I cannot, in my own right judgment accept that in centers for Islam propagation teaches the same hate, adding fuel to the fire. I cannot subscribe to a believer of God who sow hatred among others and tries to justify the acts of terrorism as something so as to achieve "what the noble Qu'ran is saying." If this is taught in centers like these, I have no doubt that the seeds that were sown are now sprouting and growing so fast without anyone suspecting it's spreading like a viral infection which will surely kill us all. Regards -Just Wondering? war spite, Oh Best Beloved of G-d, there is no deception, especially self-deception, without purpose. "When the misbelievers saught to kill thee, to imprison thee, and drive the forth, they plotted well...but G-d also plotted, and of plotter's G-d is best" And so, those among Islam ready to war against the Empire of America were inspired. But why now? Why take on the mighty when you are weak and divided? Why pick the time when it is impossible to make even token headway against the Zionists? Is such a course wise? While it may redeem the spirit, does it aim to achieve? Or are the real aims something else? In the end, what is accomplished? How did it come to pass thatd the 4 lrgest nation's seek to actively oppose. The Chinese have made the religion of the people a crime. The Russians seek to kill and will now never stop. The Indians are poised to battle and even the shield of terrible atomics can not deter for long. And the Americans will do as they please, orchestrating blows against the body, soul and mind of the faithful, taking death and destruction into the deepest heartland. This is the reality. Worse, the tactics seed the battlefield of propaganda, forcing those straddling the fence to turn. Are we ready for the conflict brewing? How many weapons smiths are among us? With what wealth will we support armies? With what unity will we co ordinate? The answers are obvious-we are being dragged into a great war at a time and place not of our choosing, not to our benefit. Who is dragging us to a place of calamity? And why are they doing this? To know the origins, seek to examine the results.Trust nothing that comes from naught by G-d. Elias Bayeh, While I agree that the blame for the terrorist act of 9/11 is on Islamic Fundamentalist Groups, organizd under Al-Qaida. It is important to ask the questions how did these groups spring into promenance and power? Is it inconceivable to think that the zionist policy, for the past 50 years, has been to weaken moderates in the arab world and strengthen extremeism. Knowing fully well that arab extremisism will serve its own purpose? In that aspect we can claim a sort of conspiracy, although indirect. Larry Lowenthal, This article needs some serious spell-checking. John Doe, Check out this website guys. http://www.attackonamerica.net/proofofcontrolleddemolitionatwtc.htm The Mossad, the NSA, and Larry Silverstein (lease owner of the WTC) conspired to have two planes flown into the 2 towers so they could collect more than half a billion dollars in insurance money. There weren't any "hijackers", by the way...that's why these guys keep turning up alive in Saudi Arabia--where I lived for 10 years--and elsewhere). They would then get kickbacks on the construction of the new "liberty" tower. This is all about money guys. Money, and galvanizing US public opinion against Muslims and Arabs to ensure the safety of the state of Israel. Think about who benefitted most from 9/11. Arabs and Muslims are being killed in Iraq and Palestine at an alarming rate in the war on "terror." That's because the American people are certain that these wars are necessary to defend the security of the US as well. All the zionists did was drag us into their war by doing this, and Larry Silverstein got very, very rich. After all, it was only a few thousand "goyim" who had to pay for his wealth with their lives...didn't you guys watch The Matrix? You may not want to believe this, but Osama Bin Laden is Neo. He's the one trying wake everybody up. It's all a matter of perception. Arabs, quit blaming yourselves. The worst is yet to come. - A concerned American Stephen E. Sims, Conspiracy "theories" are the favorite straw man of the anti-truth movement. A theory of any kind is nothing more than speculation - evolution and the big bang are prominent examples. And there has been a long-standing campaign to discredit and ostracize the word conspiracy itself, especially by those in power. So if one can categorize any conspiracy inquiry or investigation as a theory, one has gone a long way in deflecting detection of motive and illegal actions. On the other hand, there are only two kinds of conspiracies; those that are uncovered, and those that remain concealed. When a conspiracy is uncovered, it is no longer referred to as a conspiracy, but as a crime, con, plot, or scam. For a conspiracy to remain concealed, there must be an effort made to destroy, contaminate, or falsify the evidence; contradict, confuse, or silence the witnesses (by whatever means necessary), and discourage the investigation. It is the uncovered conspiracies which demand our attention. And so, it is predictable that whenever there is threat of exposure, those benefitting from the scam (often many generations) would seek to direct inquiries into the "conspiracy theory" file of negative credibility. Wherever the potential exists for acquisition of wealth or power, you can be certain that conspiracies, in various stages of conceptualization, planning, and execution, exist. Once the con becomes institutionalized (such as the Rothschild bank Monopoly or the Federal Reserve System in the United States), multiple scams can be carried out under the control of phony organizations, foundations, charities, dummy corporations, courts, and intelligence and security agencies. Being the center of world power and wealth (on the surface), the USA has a long history of unresolved conspiracies. The larger a country becomes, the more it conspires to promote its interests outside it's borders, and the more susceptible it becomes to plots and schemes from internal or external influence. Institutionalization of these scams creates a dependency and a denial which makes it virtually impossible to prove the true nature of the underlying facts and causes for inhumane acts. Such is the case in the USA. The average American reaps the benefit of the global hegemony to the extent that there is an elevated standard of living. The hand that giveth can also take away: the price America has paid is an astronomical debt that is denominated in fiat currency which is under continual threat of collapse. So America is the international whore to the bidding of the Global Bankers, and various levels of thuggery below them. It just so happens that Zionism is the pet movement of choice. The efforts and capabilities of the Mossad, and the infiltration and domination of America by Zionists is well documented by independent researchers and readily available in books, videos, and hundreds of free websites. The arrogance is so complete and the denial of the masses so ingrained that the acts are getting more and more overt. The facts and the proof are there, but the vast majority have been conditioned to accept only what is offered in the mainstream from "respected authority" which to my mind is euphemism for dupe, idiot, moron, and liar. Theories are interesting conversation points, but when one collects enough facts, the truth speaks for itself, and one should never stop asking questions. Aftab, a very biassed & digusting article... A Abdullah, So, before the Bin Laden 'confession' was the American version of what happened a just a conspiracy theory? I know they had some solid evidence - like the terrorist passport that (don't laugh) fell out of the towers, and the names of highjackers that were still alive etc. Abu Musa, Please go to "www.911inplanesite.com", this is the website of a documentary. This documentary has created shockwaves throughout the USA. It uses real-time footage, that we have already seen time and time again from CNN, NBC, FOXNews, ABC etc. It shows clear video evidence that the Planes had a missile system attached to the bottom. The Planes were Boeing 767 Cargo planes, NOT 767 Passenger planes. These were not the actual passenger jets that took off from civilian airports. I know very well, the Shaykh Osama boasted about the attacks, and the 19 men gave video wills. The only theory that makes sense taking the factors of the attacks is the conclusion of Shaykh Abu Hamza al-Misri. That the CIA found out that al-Qaida planned the attacks. But then used this to control and magnify the events, to create the pretext for an all-out War on Islam. I can't answer whether the 19 men were killed, or the Planes diverted elsewhere, or shot down. But this proves beyond doubt that the planes of 911 were not the passenger jets they claimed to be, and that they had missiles attached to them. Brad B., No one would ever believe the official story of 9/11 were it to come from anywhere else than 'reputable' western sources. A shadowy world-wide network controlled by a cave dwelling millionaire almost simultaneously hijacks 4 planes armed only with box cutters. Unmolested by the strongest air defense on the planet, the hijackers then manage to hit specific buildings at high speed. This causes the first 3 (WTC 1, 2 & 7) collapses of steel framed skyscrapers due to fire in recorded history. That's the most ludicrous conspiracy theory I've ever heard. And what proof does the author provide for this nonsense? A fake tape. Check http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape2a.html to see side-by-side pictures of the real Osama and the guy in the latest tape. From the bottom of my heart I apologize to my Arab brethren for the atrocities my people have inflicted upon you in pursuit of oil. As inadequate as apology is for such crimes, I offer it humbly. Moreover I plan to emigrate from my home in the US to a more civilized nation. Acca Pulco, I am impressed and amused by what you claim is evidence for all to see. Does really a manipulated video tape constitute evidence? And hang on, the videos of the hijackers wills? where are they and who saw them? and if effectively such videos exist, how do we know they are not staged and fake, with today’s technology you can make any manipulation you wish to photos and videos! Or do you just believe anything you are told? and anything they show you on TV? Is that how you draw your conclusions? Do you ever use your own brain or you let others wash it at their wish! Well if that's so, I feel sorry for you and sorry for all those who are like you. You are blind, with your open eyes you can't see! There are too many unanswered questions to be able to really affirm exactly what happened and who is really involved in this whole story. The official version of the facts does not in any case clarify ten per cent of the whole story, it contains many contradictions and fails to answer hundreds of questions. I don't really want to go in depth analyzing the whole story as there are to date enough sites on the net that help understand many facts and prove that the official version can't explain certain facts which are in contradiction with such version. Just for instance, why none of the four aircrafts involved has been intercepted by jetfighters considering that they had all the time to intercept even the second plane that hit the second tower, with four planes out of their routes it was clear to the NORAD what was happening, yet no jetfighter took off. Where are all footages of all security cameras around the Pentagon? Where are all the black boxes? Where are all the photos of the all the hijackers that could easily be obtained from the security cameras in the airports where they have embarked, why there is not even one Arab name on the passengers list of the four hijacked planes... could you answer to one of these questions? Anyways, I see that the more I visit the internet to read about this subject the more I see people who are becoming aware of what really happened. As a matter of fact I am happy that more and more Americans start realizing that something is totally wrong with the official version and everyone starts having doubts. I can’t really say whether it’s a conspiracy thing or an act of terrorism or whatever it could be. All I can say is that I prefer having the benefit of the doubt until we have clear answers to all the questions. And please do me a favor, stop accusing the Arabs of being paranoid, we know very well where the Arabs stand right now and we know that manipulated people like you are the real paranoid! Open your mind to many possibilities, there’s nothing worse than blindness when you can see1 Acca Pulco, I am impressed and amused by what you claim is evidence for all to see. Does really a manipulated video tape constitute evidence? And hang on, the videos of the hijackers wills? where are they and who saw them? and if effectively such videos exist, how do we know they are not staged and fake, with today’s technology you can make any manipulation you wish to photos and videos! Or do you just believe anything you are told? and anything they show you on TV? Is that how you draw your conclusions? Do you ever use your own brain or you let others wash it at their wish! Well if that's so, I feel sorry for you and sorry for all those who are like you. You are blind, with your open eyes you can't see! There are too many unanswered questions to be able to really affirm exactly what happened and who is really involved in this whole story. The official version of the facts does not in any case clarify ten per cent of the whole story, it contains many contradictions and fails to answer hundreds of questions. I don't really want to go in depth analyzing the whole story as there are to date enough sites on the net that help understand many facts and prove that the official version can't explain certain facts which are in contradiction with such version. Just for instance, why none of the four aircrafts involved has been intercepted by jetfighters considering that they had all the time to intercept even the second plane that hit the second tower, with four planes out of their routes it was clear to the NORAD what was happening, yet no jetfighter took off. Where are all footages of all security cameras around the Pentagon? Where are all the black boxes? Where are all the photos of the all the hijackers that could easily be obtained from the security cameras in the airports where they have embarked, why there is not even one Arab name on the passengers list of the four hijacked planes... could you answer to one of these questions? Anyways, I see that the more I visit the internet to read about this subject the more I see people who are becoming aware of what really happened. As a matter of fact I am happy that more and more Americans start realizing that something is totally wrong with the official version and everyone starts having doubts. I can’t really say whether it’s a conspiracy thing or an act of terrorism or whatever it could be. All I can say is that I prefer having the benefit of the doubt until we have clear answers to all the questions. And please do me a favor, stop accusing the Arabs of being paranoid, we know very well where the Arabs stand right now and we know that manipulated people like you are the real paranoid! Open your mind to many possibilities, there’s nothing worse than blindness when you can see1 S. Lofagus, Acca Pulco you need to be put out of your misery. Go to Iraq so you can get your head cut off with a rusty blunt knife or come here and I will help give you a lobotomy. Too Much Time in the Middle East, Please comment on the frank admission of Osama regarding his attacking the US on Sept 11th. There would seem to be little doubt regarding the matter now but I have seen little on this in the Arab news. My wife, who is Iraqi, commented on this matter when I asked, "We always knew. The lie that OBL didn't do it covered for the fact that we celibrated Sept 11th. We found our honor again after so much humiliation." Luckily, marriage is more than just politics. However, this brings naked a basic truth- the Middle East and truly, Islam, rejoiced at 9-11. The greatest living hero's of Islam today are OBL and Zawkarki. Please scan a few Islamic web sites or talk to Muslims, lest one joke and doubt for a moment. Will Islam go past conspiracy toward confonting the reality of its problems? Islam is running hard and fast toward a high cliff. When several hundred million people take a jump for darkness, everyone will be pulled down. --- Too Much Time in The Middle East Acca Pulco, You see all you can do is argue, I asked you to give answers to precise questions, stop turning in cercle and answer! If you want to keep acting blind and have your miserable brain washed that's fine for me. I will not go to Iraq or do anything to fight ignorance like yours, am too busy here where I am and having a peaceful life. All I want from you who seem to be certain of what happened to answer my questions! And please do not rely on what Osama Admitted on TV, here again, that was a fake footage, I am a director and editor, what I do best is video and film editing and the way I can take any footage from TV and transform it to whatever I want and make people beleive that, that is the original version is just so easy. S.Lofagus, I think I will keep my head which I am happy with. I feel sorry for you and pity you, not only you have eyes that can see but you are blind you also have a head but it's no longer yours! And when you reply next time come with concrete answers to my questions otherwise if you are looking for somoene to just argue with and insult, I am not going to waste my time. I am looking for answers to my questions, that is all, Mr Head! Bob, Actually, Too Much Time in the Middle East has a point. But if I were Arab, I would have probably rejoiced at 9/11 too. Really, I distrust when I hear Muslims say that fighting against America is against Islam. Are they supposed to say that Islam enjoins them to let America or anybody do whatever they want to them, without fighting back? So Palestinians will say that the real Islam commands them to give away their houses and land to Jews whenever they want it? And does the Quran say that whenever America wants to come and take over your country and set up a new government, you should help them? That would indeed be a strange religion. It would quickly become an extinct religion. But I suppose it would be an interesting experiment in Iraq. Let them not put up any fight or resistance at all to the Americans, and see what happens to them. Then all the other Arabs can learn from the examples. Or haven't there already been enough examples? GI JANE, Dear GI JOE: YOU really BUG ME , is this your answer for what has happened too so many people's lives? May I ask you SIR to review the Effects of electro-magnetic waves going back to the Philidelphia Experiment SIR ..that is if you would even be allowed to see the results of what was done to American VOLUNTEERs brains. Would you SIR also review the effects of low level radiation exposure on the survivors at HIroshsima...then reveiw the scientific data regarding NUETRONS (they are considered to be low level radiations molecules)in every spectrum of the electro magnetic specytrum SIR ..including RADAR waves, SOund waves, Radio waves, MICRO waves which can burn people's brains SIR and then if you have enough security clearance SIR go see the scientific effects that the so called HARP TOWER in Alaska may have contributed to wrecking people's brain patterns and their lives SIR. and Sir go ask your governemnt about the deaths of approximately 9,953 people who were in the MIND HELL (a fate worse then death) before THE WORLD TRADE CENTER bombings that killed approximately 3,000 people. And SIR those 10,000 people who died in MIND HELL were mostly people OUTSIDE your nation's Borders and You SIR have NO BUSINESS ever putting your WAVES on the people from other Nations SIR. Is that clear SIR. So if your conscience has trouble Sir with this, go take Prozac sir and take your happy pills and make sure your children all have mental exams and then they can be put on anti-depressants SIR and then pretty soon SIR a subliminal message can go out by Sattelite and SIR your whole nation can ALL be like minded and think the same way SIR ...As long as you keep that in your OWN nation Sir I don't care ...JUST DON"T ever think you will be able Sir to EXPORT this as a viable COMMODITY for your economic gain and for your country or for your BIG BUSINESS WAR machine SIR. If this still remains a prblem SIR ..go see a shrink and he will put you on anti phycotic medicaiton SIR .. You will need it more then the rest of the world's nations' SIR... GI JANE Acca Pulco, Mishari AL Tahidi, what is really your game, is it just to get people arguing by writing this article? I guess that is the purpose! One thing suggests to me that you beleive yourself in these theories and that you even support them. The fact that you go as far as mentioning the killing of Princess Diana as a conspiracy while we can all be not only sure but also certain that she is been killed and there are no doubts about that, only a kid under two years of age or mental retard would beleive that it was an accident. Where on earth you see the British royal family accepting to have an Arab as the brother or sister of future king? if you really beleive that they would let this happen, well I am so sorry for you, either you are not from this world and you don't know anything about its history or you are in complete "SCIENCE FICTION DELIRIUM" I don't think that any person with a minimum of common sense would beleive in the official version! for f..k sake, they will not come tell us "hey guys we killed them cause we do not want an Arab to be the brother of the king" hell no, they won't, it's just the same for the towers. who ever is behind it will not come to tell us... and we know the rest of this story too! Dr. R, I am a psychiatrist who practices in New York City. I am treating many who worked in the World Trade Center, who managed to escape before the building collapsed, but who still bear the scars of psychic trauma. I also treat those who lost children in the towers. One poor woman lost her daughter, her only living child, who was trapped in a floor above the impact of the first plane but managed to call out on her cell phone to say goodbye. I am also interested in the Arab press and try to read what is written. My first response was astonishment at reading such a reasoned and well-balanced article. My second was sadness in reading the author's claim that 80% of ordinary arab people believed in these kooky conspiracy theories. And finally I felt very discouraged after reading many (though not all) of the reader's responses. Clearly many people in the arab world will need to roll up their sleeves if the want to assist their collegues and neighbors in living in the world of reality as opposed to a sinister paranoid fantasy. Acca Pulco, Dr R, We all know about the tragedy at the towers, we can imagine how the relatives and parents of those who were trapped and died, feel, what must be the pain for them. till today there is no proof of who is really and effectivly responsible, many theories yes, but no proof. Do we all want to act blind and beleive in one version that does fail into answering a lot of hanging questions... Well go and beleive, be manipulated like cheeps. But that's not the truth! The fact that you are a psychiatrist does not make you more intelligent or more aware of what the truth is than others! Dr. R, Acca Pulco: You are correct. Being a psychiatrist does not permit me to say for certain who was responsible for bringing down the WTC, and being in direct painful contact with the emotions of the victims does not endow me with special knowledge of who was behind the attacks. However, my psychiatric experience does give me an understanding of how far people can delude themselves. A middle aged woman, of no distinction and limited education, who I’ve seen in my office for over 20 years, insists that hundreds of police and undercover detectives are hired to follow her everyday, no matter where she goes. Is this possible? Logically, since it is not impossible, it is possible! Is it likely? I think not. The evidence would have to be stretched beyond common sense. I think that is merely the message of the author’s article: examine the evidence. Think with your mind, your reason, not your emotions. Acca Pulco, Dr R. Thank you for your kind reply! Yes one must think with the mind not with emotions, or with bit of both in well balanced ratio. What's important is not to jump into quick conclusions and accuse Indiscriminately Arabs and Muslims of something that maybe they did not do! Acca Pulco, Just to make you all think with your minds and wonder... this reinforces the validity of the theories we are discussing! In the name of fighting TERROR, this is what was the objectif... read below and open your minds! "The suspicion continues in the minds of many that we are witnessing the beginning of a long-term process whereby under the rubric of a ‘war on terrorism’ a war of military and economic subjugation is pursued." The committee also says the basis for attacking Iraq changed from a need to remove weapons of mass destruction, to regime change and then to "liberating the Iraqi people". It notes: "On this basis, the US and UK should now engage in military conflict with many other regimes which lack democracy and do not respect human rights, such as Saudi Arabia, Burma, North Korea and China." Acca Pulco, More stories that make you WONDER, make you open your eyes and mind! MMMMH... New big business oportunities for some people! Bush ally set to profit from the war on terror The Observer James Woolsey, former CIA boss and influential adviser to President George Bush, is a director of a US firm aiming to make millions of dollars from the 'war on terror', The Observer can reveal. Woolsey, one of the most high-profile hawks in the war against Iraq and a key member of the Pentagon's Defence Policy Board, is a director of the Washington-based private equity firm Paladin Capital. The company was set up three months after the terrorist attacks on New York and sees the events and aftermath of September 11 as a business opportunity which 'offer[s] substantial promise for homeland security investment'. The first priority of Paladin was 'to invest in companies with immediate solutions designed to prevent harmful attacks, defend against attacks, cope with the aftermath of attack or disaster and recover from terrorist attacks and other threats to homeland security'. Paladin, which is expected to have raised $300 million from investors by the end of this year, calculates that in the next few years the US government will spend $60 billion on anti-terrorism that woul not have been spent before September 11, and that corporations will spend twice that amount to ensure their security and continuity in case of attack. The involvement of one of the most prominent hawks in Washington with a company standing to cash in on the fear of potential terror attacks will raise eyebrows in some quarters. Dr. R, Acca Pulco, I hesitate to enter into a debate with you because I fear it will be a wasted effort. You obviously have your mind made up, but I will joust with you for a few moments. Maybe someone else will be swayed. Please allow me to point out the fallacy of your reasoning. You are taking 2 facts (1) Palatin Capital was started 3 months after 9/11 and (2) Woolsey – a former director of CIA – is a principal. From those facts you strongly hint (don’t come out directly, merely ‘raise eyebrows’) that Palatin Capital has a ‘motive’ (as the police would say) and might be behind the terror attacks. Go on the Palatin Capital web site – Woolsey is one of 14 directors. The others have experience in information technology, the military (a retired general), finance and business. If I am going to set up an investment fund I would want people with this background advising me. Look, Acca Pulco, this is America. It’s no sin to try to make money honestly. If Saudi Arabia comes over and takes over this country, in 3 months time I guarantee some enterprising people will set up a fund investing in hummos! That doesn’t mean they were scheming to turn the country over to the Saudis. Moreover, Palatin is not the only fund that wants to invest in this segment of the economy. If it’s a conspiracy, wouldn’t they shut everyone out. Check out Arxan Technologies – you can find it on the Net – to see some others. Yes, they have people who worked in CIA, NSA, the military, etc. Who should be the prinicipals? Kindergarden teachers. Acca Pulco, you are reasoning backwards. You’ve got the culprit; you merely have to “cherry pick” among millions of events to find the facts that fit. Like my patient who insists that hundreds of detectives follow her. How does she know? Because she came out of a store and saw 2 men sitting in a car in the parking lot and detectives sit in cars and watch people. Acca Pulco, Dr r, yes as you say "you merely have to “cherry pick” among millions of events to find the facts that fit" You just hit the button! Facts that fit! That’s exactly my point, there are hundreds of facts that do not fit (please read my first post) if you please can tell me what happened to the black boxes, how is it possible that they haven’t been found and made public (very fishy). My mind is not made up already, I am observing and listening and as you said some things make me wonder. Thank you for comparing me to your paranoid patient, it’s just pointless, mine is far from being paranoia as you tried to say. Unfortunately we can’t really debate on a subject like 9/11 over a forum, this matter can only be discussed talking about it for hours considering its complexity, a complexity created by the thousands of facts that do not fit! This is a huge PUZZLE, it will take a long time for the pieces to come together, but I assure you that one day we will see the real picture. You see, the fact that America attacked Iraq with an excuse; In the name of fighting TERROR, this is what was the objective but the basis for attacking Iraq changed from a need to remove weapons of mass destruction, to regime change and then to "liberating the Iraqi people" and to bring democracy, but they are still there killing thousands of poor civilians, killing civilians is TERRORISM, no excuse whatsoever! Very fishy, makes me wonder and makes me think of the 9/11 theories, they are lying about Iraq while we are able to see what’s happening and what they are doing to them, so why must we think that they did not lie about what really happened to the WTC! Everyone who wants to fight the American occupation in Iraq is labeled as Islamic terrorist; this looks to me like a pattern in the American screenplay “WHAT EVER HORRIBLE ATROCITIES AMERIACANS DO, IT’S IN THE NAME OF DEMOCRACY AND FIGHTING EVIL, WHAT EVER IS THE RESPONSE TO FIGHT BACK IS AN ACT OF TERROR” how does this sound to you! The entire world loves America, it is the American government who does not love the rest of the world! Acca Pulco, "[The 9/11 report] reads like a mystery, a novel. It's well written." — G. W. Bush Acca Pulco, "We expect nations to oppose all terrorists, not just some of them. No political cause can justify the deliberate murder of civilians." — G. W. Bush Acca Pulco, "More and more of our imports come from overseas." — G. W. Bush REALLY, NO COMMENT1 Acca Pulco, "More and more of our imports come from overseas." — G. W. Bush REALLY, NO COMMENT1 Acca Pulco, Date: 11/11/2004 Dr. Gayle, Having recently reviewed your team's report of 10/19/04, I felt the need to contact you directly. As I'm sure you know, the company I work for certified the steel components used in the construction of the WTC buildings. In requesting information from both our CEO and Fire Protection business manager last year, I learned that they did not agree on the essential aspects of the story, except for one thing - that the samples we certified met all requirements. They suggested we all be patient and understand that UL was working with your team, and that tests would continue through this year. I'm aware of UL's attempts to help, including performing tests on models of the floor assemblies. But the results of these tests appear to indicate that the buildings should have easily withstood the thermal stress caused by pools of burning jet fuel. There continues to be a number of "experts" making public claims about how the WTC buildings fell. One such person, Dr. Hyman Brown from the WTC construction crew, claims that the buildings collapsed due to fires at 2000F melting the steel (1). He states "What caused the building to collapse is the airplane fuel . . . burning at 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit. The steel in that five-floor area melts." Additionally, the newspaper that quotes him says "Just-released preliminary findings from a National Institute of Standards and Technology study of the World Trade Center collapse support Brown's theory." We know that the steel components were certified to ASTM E119. The time temperature curves for this standard require the samples to be exposed to temperatures around 2000F for several hours. And as we all agree, the steel applied met those specifications. Additionally, I think we can all agree that even un-fireproofed steel will not melt until reaching red-hot temperatures of nearly 3000F (2). Why Dr. Brown would imply that 2000F would melt the high-grade steel used in those buildings makes no sense at all. The results of your recently published metallurgical tests seem to clear things up (3), and support your team's August 2003 update as detailed by the Associated Press (4), in which you were ready to "rule out weak steel as a contributing factor in the collapse". The evaluation of paint deformation and spheroidization seem very straightforward, and you noted that the samples available were adequate for the investigation. Your comments suggest that the steel was probably exposed to temperatures of only about 500F (250C), which is what one might expect from a thermodynamic analysis of the situation. However the summary of the new NIST report seems to ignore your findings, as it suggests that these low temperatures caused exposed bits of the building's steel core to "soften and buckle"(5). Additionally this summary states that the perimeter columns softened, yet your findings make clear that "most perimeter panels (157 of 160) saw no temperature above 250C". To soften steel for the purposes of forging, normally temperatures need to be above 1100C (6). However, this new summary report suggests that much lower temperatures were be able to not only soften the steel in a matter of minutes, but lead to rapid structural collapse. This story just does not add up. If steel from those buildings did soften or melt, I'm sure we can all agree that this was certainly not due to jet fuel fires of any kind, let alone the briefly burning fires in those towers. That fact should be of great concern to all Americans. Alternatively, the contention that this steel did fail at temperatures around 250C suggests that the majority of deaths on 9/11 were due to a safety-related failure. That suggestion should be of great concern to my company. There is no question that the events of 9/11 are the emotional driving force behind the War on Terror. And the issue of the WTC collapse is at the crux of the story of 9/11. My feeling is that your metallurgical tests are at the crux of the crux of the crux. Either you can make sense of what really happened to those buildings, and communicate this quickly, or we all face the same destruction and despair that come from global decisions based on disinformation and "chatter". Thanks for your efforts to determine what happened on that day. You may know that there are a number of other current and former government employees that have risked a great deal to help us to know the truth. I've copied one of these people on this message as a sign of respect and support. I believe your work could also be a nucleus of fact around which the truth, and thereby global peace and justice, can grow again. Please do what you can to quickly eliminate the confusion regarding the ability of jet fuel fires to soften or melt structural steel. 1. http://www.boulderweekly.com/archive/102104/coverstory.html 2. CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 61st edition, pg D-187 3. http://wtc.nist.gov/media/P3MechanicalandMetAnalysisofSteel.pdf 4. http://www.voicesofsept11.org/archive/911ic/082703.php 5. http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NCSTACWTCStatusFINAL101904WEB2.pdf (pg 11) 6. http://www.forging.org/FIERF/pdf/ffaaMacSleyne.pdf Kevin Ryan Site Manager Environmental Health Laboratories A Division of Underwriters Laboratories South Bend Acca Pulco, THE GREAT CONSPIRACY: The 9/11 News Special You Never Saw is a 70-minute sequel to The Great Deception. That is a ground-breaking 44-minute video also by Barrie Zwicker. He was the first mainstream journalist in the world to go on air (in January 2002) and ask hard questions about the official story of /11. The Great Deception is a compilation of his series of seven commentaries on 9/11. In The Great Conspiracy, Zwicker updates and expands his critique. He analyses the use of fear to befuddle the public. He deconstructs the so-called “war on terrorism.” He examines in depth the failure of the military on 9/11 and George Bush’s highly inappropriate behaviour that day. He finds the 9/11 Commission to be a total coverup operation. Throughout, he analyses the role of the mainstream media as complicit in keeping the public massively misinformed and befuddled. And he suggests what we can do. Those who have seen both works find them complementary. Acca Pulco, 9/11 "black box" cover-up at Ground Zero? -- a Campaign Extra!/PDN exclusive This is the more comprehensive version of our story appearing in today's Philadelphia Daily News. Two men who worked extensively in the wreckage of the World Trade Center claim they helped federal agents find three of the four “black boxes” from the jetliners that struck the towers on 9/11 - contradicting the official account. Both the independent 9/11 Commission and federal authorities continue to insist that none of the four devices - a cockpit voice recorder (CVR) and flight data recorder (FDR) from the two planes - were ever found in the wreckage. But New York City firefighter Nicholas DeMasi has written in a recent book -- self-published by several Ground Zero workers -- that he escorted federal agents on an all-terrain vehicle in October 2001 and helped them locate three of the four. His account is supported by a volunteer, Mike Bellone, whose efforts at Ground Zero have been chronicled in the New York Times and elsewhere. Bellone said assisted DeMasi and the agents and that saw a device that resembling a “black box” in the back of the firefighter’s ATV. Their story raises the question of whether there was a some type of cover-up at Ground Zero. Federal aviation officials - blaming the massive devastation - have said the World Trade Center attacks seem to be the only major jetliner crashes in which the critical devices were never located. A footnote to the 9/11 Commission Report issued this summer flatly states: “The CVRs and FDRs from American 11 and United 175” - the two planes that hit the Trade Center - “were not found.” And officials for the FBI - which oversaw the cleanup at Ground Zero - and the New York City Fire Department repeated this week that the devices were never recovered. The “black boxes” - actually orange - could have provided valuable new information about the worst terror attack to ever take place on American soil. The cockpit voice recorder uses two microphones to capture the sounds of the cockpit for the last 30 minutes of a doomed flight on a tape loop. In the case of the hijacked 9/11 jetliners, the devices should have captured any conversations or actions involving the hijackers, as well as radio transmissions. The flight data recorder records things like airspeed, heading, and altitude. Both devices - located in the tail of the airplane - emit loud “pings” so they can be located even in ocean jetliner crashes, like the 1996 explosion of TWA Flight 800 off Long Island. They are built to survive an impact of enormous force - 3400 Gs - and a fire of 1100 degrees Celsius for one hour, somewhat higher than official estimates of the World Trade Center blaze. “It's extremely rare that we don't get the recorders back. I can't recall another domestic case in which we did not recover the recorders,” Ted Lopatkiewicz, spokesman for the National Transportation Safety Board, told CBS News in 2002. However, officials said little of the jets was recovered. DeMasi was with now defunct Engine Company 261 in 2001. He wrote up his recollections of the Ground Zero recovery in a glossy book self-published by a group that calls itself Trauma Recovery Assistance for Children, or the TRAC Team. The book was published in 2003 but received little notice. (There's more on the book and how people can get it at this site.) DeMasi, an all-terrain vehicles hobbyist - said he donated 4 ATVs to the clean-up and became known as “the ATV Guy.” “At one point, I was asked to take Federal Agents around the site to search for the black boxes from the planes,” he wrote. “We were getting ready to go out. My ATV was parked at the top of the stairs at the Brooks Brothers entrance area. We loaded up about a million dollars worth of equipment and strapped it into the ATV...” “There were a total of four black boxes. We found three.” Acca Pulco, Dr R, I hope that you take the time to read the articles that I post. With your well written English I think that you should be the president of the USA, I find that I speak a more correct English Than your president even though it's not my native language. How does it feel to be ruled by someone who mumbles and struggles in expressing himself in his own language, I would be very worried, well in fact I am worried even if it's not the president of my country, I am worried because of all the wars he is waging around the world without a just cause! Or is the just cause, the so called "WAR ON TERROR". Well, here I would recommend to you to contact the president and give him a free consultation, and while you are at it, would you please mention to him the case of that lady, patient of yours, who thinks she is followed by hundreds of detectives and, that's her invetion because she suffers from PARANOIA! I think he suffers from the same syndrome and that all these terrorists he sees are only in his immagination. The diffrence between the two is that, that lady can cause no harm to anyone but herself I presume, while he has alraedy committed various genocides. And hang on! Isn't Osama Bin Laden an American invention? ooh yes! While he was fighting the Russians in Afghanistan he had all sort of support from the CIA including the sophisticated "STINGER" to defeat the Russians, but then you were calling them "Mujahidin" now you call them terrorist! why you guys don't stop creating these monsters who become a problem for you and for all of us! This makes me think to your patient again! You all suffer from that syndrome now, on a very wide scale! Acca Pulco, For example, the Report simply repeats the official story about the 19 Arab hijackers, failing to mention that at least six of the named men have shown up alive. It even suggests that Waleed al-Shehri, who visited the US embassy in Morocco after 9/11, stabbed a flight attendant on AA 11 before it hit the North Tower (page 5). This sloppy scholarship proves to be no aberration. Acca Pulco, With regard to why jet fighters failed to intercept any of the flights, the Report provides a radically revisionist account of 9/11. Claiming--in contradiction to the timeline provided by NORAD on September 18, 2001--that the FAA never notified the military about Flights 175, 77, and 93 until after they crashed, the Report fails to explain why NORAD had earlier said otherwise. This new timeline also changes the starting times of all the teleconferences, in order to claim that they could not have been the means for the military to have learned about the hijackings from the FAA. Also, to bolster the claim that the shootdown order was not given until after Flight 93 had crashed, the Report also contradicts by 45 minutes all prior testimony--including Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta's eyewitness testimony to the Commission itself--as to when Vice President Cheney descended to the Presidential Emergency Operations Center. Acca Pulco, With regard to the World Trade Center, the Report fails to mention that fire had never caused steel-frame high-rise buildings to collapse. It also, by way of suggesting why the Twin Towers could have collapsed so easily, says that the core of each building consisted of "a hollow steel shaft" (541n1), whereas in reality the core of each consisted of 47 massive steel columns. While mentioning that the South Tower collapsed in 10 seconds (305), the Report otherwise fails to mention the fact that the collapses manifested 10 standard features of controlled demolitions. The Report handles the collapse of Building 7, which even FEMA admitted it could not explain, by simply failing to mention Acca Pulco, With regard to the Pentagon, the Report fails to mention that the West Wing would have been the least likely target for terrorists, that its facade did not collapse until 30 minutes after the strike, and other facts in tension with the idea that the Pentagon was struck by Flight 77. And while claiming that al-Qaeda operatives did not strike a nuclear plant for fear that their plane would be shot down (245), the Report fails to point out that the Pentagon is even better protected, so that any aircraft without a military transponder would have been automatically shot down. Acca Pulco, The Report also provides radically ahistorical accounts of the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq, ignoring all the evidence that these attacks were motivated by desires to establish military bases and to take over the oil (rather than by desires to protect human rights and promote democracy). In this and other ways, the Report omits all evidence that the Bush administration had plans of the sort that could have provided motives for allowing or even engineering the attacks of 9/11. Acca Pulco, ...And it's just the tip of the iceberg! Acca Pulco, We strongly agree with President Bush's decision to move Condoleezza Rice out of her position as National Security Advisor. Ms. Rice's statement from her May 16, 2002 press briefing, "I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile" made it clear that she was ill equipped to be advising anyone on matters of national security. Condoleezza Rice was the top National Security official with President Bush at the July 2001 G-8 summit in Genoa. This was where "U.S. officials were warned that Islamic terrorists might attempt to crash an airliner into the summit, which prompted officials to close the airspace over Genoa and station anti-aircraft guns at the city's airport." And Ms. Rice's failures did not stop there. Acca Pulco, Mishari Al-thaidi, after displaying such arrogance in your article what would be your answers to these reports and articles! Or are you still unable to open your eyse, oh pardon, your eyes are probably open but you still unable to see! SORRY FOR YOU! Acca Pulco, Rewarding Incompetence We strongly agree with President Bush's decision to move Condoleezza Rice out of her position as National Security Advisor. Ms. Rice's statement from her May 16, 2002 press briefing, "I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile" made it clear that she was ill equipped to be advising anyone on matters of national security. Condoleezza Rice was the top National Security official with President Bush at the July 2001 G-8 summit in Genoa. This was where "U.S. officials were warned that Islamic terrorists might attempt to crash an airliner into the summit, which prompted officials to close the airspace over Genoa and station anti-aircraft guns at the city's airport." And Ms. Rice's failures did not stop there. On August 6, 2001, just over a month before 9/11 and during the "summer of threat", President Bush received a Presidential Daily Briefing (PDB) at his Crawford, Texas ranch, entitled Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the US. The August 6th memo focused entirely on the possibility of terrorist attacks inside the US. In testimony before the 9/11 Commission, Condoleezza Rice, National Security Advisor to President Bush, stated to the 9/11 Commission that she and President Bush considered the August 6th PDB as just an historical document and commented that this was not considered a domestic warning. At this 9/11 hearing, Condoleezza Rice had taken an oath to tell the truth to the Commissioners, thus, we thought she might be spending her free time defending herself against perjury charges. Furthermore, a good National Security Advisor should have clearly been able to interpret this Presidential Briefing which included language like "... patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York", as both a current and a predictive statement. Moreover, the National Security Advisor, knowing that the terrorist chatter was high combined with the clear warning contained in this briefing, should have tasked the intelligence agencies to do something. Unfortunately, Ms. Rice neither understood the threat nor took any action to avert it. Additionally, according to the 9/11 Commission report, chief White House expert on terrorism, Richard Clarke, sent Rice an urgent memo just days after she took office stressing the severity of the terrorist threat. She did not respond. Although the national security leadership met formally nearly 100 times in the months prior to the Sept. 11 attacks . . . terrorism was the topic during only two of those sessions. The first meeting that dealt with al Qaeda did not occur until 9/4/01. Finally, in past elections the Director of National Security remained above the political fray and stayed off the campaign trail. After all, the NSA is supposed to work for all Americans of every political persuasion. However, during the 2004 presidential campaign, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice took time out from her busy national security duties to stump for the president across key battleground states. This was at a time when the country was thought to be under a grave threat because of the elections and because of the release of another threatening Osama Bin Laden video. Condoleezza Rice did not stay in Washington to protect Americans in the event of another terrorist attack, but instead was found crossing the country on a partisan mission to re-elect President Bush. Ironically, during 2002, Ms. Rice had repeatedly claimed that she could not possibly testify before the bipartisan 9/11 Commission for fear that it would break precedents set by past national security advisers, yet she had no reservations about breaking past precedents when it came to using her position to advance her partisan political interests. Proving once again that for this administration politics trump national security. While we can certainly agree that this country is in dire need of a new National Security Advisor, we are thoroughly aghast at President Bush's decision to promote Ms. Rice to the position of Secretary of State. Usually, when someone completely fails at their job, they do not get a promotion, which rewards their failure. It has been over three years since the murder of our loved ones. To date, not one person has been held responsible for the failures to protect them and this nation. Worse yet, some, like Ms. Rice, are being promoted. What will we tell the children of these murdered innocents about our system of justice and our national security? And more importantly, how can we assure them they are safe from further harm? 9-11 Widows Kristen Breitweiser Patty Casazza Monica Gabrielle Mindy Kleinberg Lorie Van Auken Acca Pulco, Achtung! Are We the New Nazis? Soldiers, God and Empire by Douglas Herman Gott Mit Uns. I felt a little shock and awe, actually disbelief, seeing the antique belt buckle for the first time. Worn by a Nazi German soldier, the aluminum, World War II era buckle carried the imperial eagle of the Third Reich above the familiar Swastika. Surrounding the eagle and Swastika was the motto, "Gott Mit Uns," or "God With Us." Certainly the Nazi Germans, villains in history and Hollywood movies, couldn’t really have believed in God, could they? Certainly the common German soldier fought with great courage, discipline and fervor, following orders given by the High Command. Yet the Nazis fought a ruthless war against smaller countries, attacking them after planting false evidence, overpowering them with a combination of vicious air strikes and crushing armored superiority and then installed corrupt or cruel puppet leaders. The Nazis demonized and then destroyed their enemies, after first intimidating and then liquidating their domestic opponents. The German propaganda machine cranked out misinformation and outright lies in the state-supported media, suppressing the truth and threatening anyone who dared to speak or print opposition to the war regime. Lutheran minister and German war veteran Martin Niemoller mirrored middle-class German society of that time: “First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up, because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by then there was no one left to speak up for me.” Presently, American military veterans—rank and file former soldiers mostly--are speaking out against American Imperialism, as well as ministers, artists, reporters, scientists and educators. But the powerful alliance of media monopolies and corporate-financed political leaders sway public opinion to war. In America, as was the case in Nazi Germany, the imperceptible slide to tyranny increases in direct proportion to the number of voices of conscience that are ignored Is it curious or ironic how Blitzkrieg resembles Shock and Awe? Is it curious or ironic how Wolf Blitzer and Charles Krauthammer provide the running commentary for the war? Is it curious or ironic how Rumsfeld and Rommel are so similar, how each needed a desert for a dramatic stage? Yes, I know, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld stated to the “free” media our “humanitarian” method of war, but then German general Erwin Rommel or Joseph Goebbels could have said the very same thing to the German press. Are we the New Nazis? Could it happen here? Has it already begun? Absurd, you say. God is on our side. The God of Christians and Jews. The last time I checked, the Pope was vehemently against the unprovoked war with Iraq, as were most ministers and priests. The National Council of Churches, with 50 million members in 36 denominations, opposed the war. The Catholic Church, with nearly 64 million Americans, did not support the war. Many American Jews did not support the war. Yet according to all reports, we’ve “won” a war and the rumors are we may have another couple of other wars very soon. God is on our side, but which one? The vengeful God, the one guiding our radioactive armor-sheathed battle tanks as they slice through families of frightened civilians? Or the merciful one, providing protection to those same civilians? Is ours the God of the Gospels and Torah--or the horrible, hydra-like god of cluster bombs? Do our coins--comparable to the Nazi belt buckles-- really carry the motto, “In God We Trust"? Assuming the support for this war was a mile wide and an inch deep-- generally the case in polls and wars--how many Christian soldiers will continue to take up arms against the “infidel” simply on the summons of Militant Christian Bush and Uber-Zionist Paul Wolfowitz? An instructive book, A Quick And Dirty Guide To War, gives an overview of the entanglement awaiting our armies of occupation. Although the authors fail to mention the term “Islamic Jihad,” they clearly describe the Middle East morass and the fact that Afghanistan has NEVER been conquered by an outside foreign power. America, by the way, is superpower number four to try, and our influence extends only as far as the outskirts of Kabul. In a prolonged, stepping-stone war of conquest and vendetta, thinly disguised as “liberation,” how many American soldiers will suffice? If the Russians in Afghanistan could not pacify a region at their doorstep with over 150,000 troops, using Gestapo tactics, what makes American leaders think they can do better, using twice the troops over twice the area? Yes, we have the invincible Abrams M1A2 main Battle Tank (MBT), just as the Germans had the invincible Panzer Mark VI Tiger MBT in 1943. But like the Germans, we eventually have to emerge from our tanks, and what then? How many patriotic sons and daughters, heroically fighting for so many American lost causes, will emerge from the backwoods, single-stoplight towns, kids like Jessica Lynch, to serve as very vulnerable yet heavily-armed overseers in impoverished Mesopotamia? "Do we have ten million men willing to fight and save petroleum resources?" asks Anthony Gancarski in a recent Counterpunch column. "How many millions would it take to provide an occupation force sufficient to pacify the region? Is there any hope of attaining such a fighting force without conscription?" The answer is NO. The draft is a done deal if the war spreads. The New York Times recently reported that America’s military power, measured in military spending, exceeded that of all NATO countries combined--plus China, Russia, Japan, Iraq and North Korea--but the need for military men will surpass the capacity of the all-volunteer army if “liberation” spreads to Syria and Iran, as our chief Chickenhawks intend. Former CIA director James Woolsey, handpicked by the Pentagon for the role of Pasha in post-war Iraq, publicly stated to a group of avid young Republicans at UCLA, "This Fourth World War [starting with Iraq and leading God knows where], I think, will last considerably longer than either World Wars I or II did for us." Hopefully the students who weren’t scared shitless listening to Woolsey--a name apropos to the imperial designs of this obscene military machine--already have their student deferments ready to file, following the example of our current leaders, many of whom happily avoided the Vietnam War. Behind this Middle East escapade lurks a cadre of militant Christians, Zionist Jews, and brazen corporate opportunists, all equally embedded in the idea of an Imperialist Grand Design. Yet such Imperial hubris wrecked Napoleon’s France, destroyed Hitler’s Germany and recently ruined the Soviet Union--bled white in Afghanistan—a dissection ably assisted by our recent Mujahadeen ally, Osama bin Laden. This recent preemptive strike precedent for America is a page taken from the Third Reich playbook. In 1939, the Germans attacked Poland, a fourth-rate military power, having used a phony excursion by Polish soldiers as a ploy for invasion. Our excuse for attacking another fourth-rate power--the search for weapons of mass destruction--worked wonderfully well in Iraq, yet not even Hitler was so draconian as to expose his own troops to the risk of chemical attack or the exposure of depleted uranium. Thus far more than 10,000 American troops who fought in the first Gulf War have died from Gulf War Syndrome, while the House of Representatives voted recently to cut $25 billion from assistance to disabled veterans, according to Veterans For Common Sense. Truly, the pride over our recent “victory” in Iraq--while cause for celebration in shortening the war and ridding the world of one dictator--does not lessen but increases the possibility of other preemptive attacks against far more dangerous foes. Hitler pulverized Poland and Belgium but wrecked half the world when he continued his mad designs against stronger opponents. The barbarism of conquered Baghdad mirrors the Nazi blueprint for dealing with foreign art and culture: Loot the art and burn the culture. Yet even The German High command never allowed or conspired in the wholesale eradication of French culture to the degree the American Army appeared to do in Baghdad. Reporter Robert Fisk stated in an interview, “We claim that we want to preserve the national heritage of the Iraqi people, and yet my own count of government buildings burning in Baghdad before I left was 158, of which the only building protected by the United States Army and the Marines were the Ministry of Interior . . . and the Ministry of Oil.” Fisk also noted, “The looting was on a most detailed, precise and coordinated scale . . . and within a few days those priceless heritage items of Iraq’s history (those not destroyed by systematic arson) were on sale in Europe and in America. I don’t believe that happened by chance.” The Nazis, great plunderers of European art, would have been envious of the speed and cohesion of the entire operation. Understandably, they would have been aghast at the waste, however. Will our soldiers soon be sporting “God With Us” belt buckles over protective, Darth Vader body armor, wielding depleted uranium weapons in the Cradle of Civilization? How many My Lai-style atrocities—already occurring as I write this--or Beirut-type barracks bombings will we accept before we realize our occupation in Iraq is West Bank supersized? Before we commit too many more American troops to the Middle East--future victims of suicide shock and awe bombings or civilian slaughters like the one that happened in al-Fallujah--God-fearing American citizens should ask whether this Bush administration plans to continue expanding this empire at the point of a gun. Truthfully, to the rest of the world, we already are the New Nazis. Dr. R, Acca Pulco, Is anyone in the world reading you other than me? Bravo, you managed to demonstrate that any idea can be pulled inside out, echoing Big Brother, “war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength”. What a waste of words. What a waste of time. Acca Pulco, Dr R, researching the truth is not a waste of time! I want people to consider all options possible and not to trust blindly one source of information only! This is all for those who die every day, wether it's civilians, insurgents or American soldiers, I do care for all of them because they are dying for someone's interest and not for peace and freedom! GET THE POINT MISTER, DON'T BE ON ONE SIDE ONLY! BE HUMAN, CAUSE WE ALL ARE! Acca Pulco, Dr R, Yes, many read me, I am glad that you do too, and I am sure that, if you are a person of common sense, you realize that what I report makes sense somehow! Let's not fool ourselves, these are hard facts we have to llok into and that we can't ignore. For the majority, like my aunt Gina who gets all her information from the neighbor and tells me that she is well aware of the facts beacause they said that on TV, no matter how I try to make her understand that she mustn't rely on what they say on Tv, she would not listen to me. Unfortunately more than 80% of the people are like that, unable to read and resaerch, they are confortable to take things as the media reports to them! what a sad world where lies are the truth and ignorance is Knowledge! Peace brother! Acca Pulco, "examine the evidence. Think with your mind, your reason, not your emotions" Examining the evidence! thank you for such a precious advice Dr R. Acca Pulco, Talking about evidence! Please read full report below! this goes beyond anything, I am just speachless! Acca Pulco, David T. Johnson, Acting Ambassador, US Embassy, London Dear Mr. Johnson, On November 26, your press counselor sent a letter to the Guardian taking strong exception to a sentence in my column of the same day. The sentence read: “In Iraq, US forces and their Iraqi surrogates are no longer bothering to conceal attacks on civilian targets and are openly eliminating anyone — doctors, clerics, journalists — who dares to count the bodies.” Of particular concern was the word “eliminating”. The letter suggested that my charge was “baseless” and asked the Guardian either to withdraw it, or provide “evidence of this extremely grave accusation”. It is quite rare for US Embassy officials to openly involve themselves in the free press of a foreign country, so I took the letter extremely seriously. But while I agree that the accusation is grave, I have no intention of withdrawing it. Here, instead, is the evidence you requested. In April, US forces laid siege to Fallujah in retaliation for the gruesome killings of four Blackwater employees. The operation was a failure, with US troops eventually handing the city back to resistance forces. The reason for the withdrawal was that the siege had sparked uprisings across the country, triggered by reports that hundreds of civilians had been killed. This information came from three main sources: 1) Doctors. USA Today reported on April 11 that “Statistics and names of the dead were gathered from four main clinics around the city and from Fallujah general hospital”. 2) Arab TV journalists. While doctors reported the numbers of dead, it was Al-Jazeera and al-Arabiya that put a human face on those statistics. With unembedded camera crews in Fallujah, both networks beamed footage of mutilated women and children throughout Iraq and the Arab-speaking world. 3) Clerics. The reports of high civilian casualties coming from journalists and doctors were seized upon by prominent clerics in Iraq. Many delivered fiery sermons condemning the attack, turning their congregants against US forces and igniting the uprising that forced US troops to withdraw. US authorities have denied that hundreds of civilians were killed during last April’s siege, and have lashed out at the sources of these reports. ... Last month, US troops once again laid siege to Fallujah — but this time the attack included a new tactic: Eliminating the doctors, journalists and clerics who focused public attention on civilian casualties last time around. The first major operation by US Marines and Iraqi soldiers was to storm Fallujah General Hospital, arresting doctors and placing the facility under military control. The New York Times reported that “the hospital was selected as an early target because the American military believed that it was the source of rumors about heavy casualties”, noting that “this time around, the American military intends to fight its own information war, countering or squelching what has been one of the insurgents’ most potent weapons”. The Los Angeles Times quoted a doctor as saying that the soldiers “stole the mobile phones” at the hospital — preventing doctors from communicating with the outside world. But this was not the worst of the attacks on health workers. Two days earlier, a crucial emergency health clinic was bombed to rubble, as well as a medical supplies dispensary next door. Dr. Sami Al-Jumaili, who was working in the clinic, says the bombs took the lives of 15 medics, four nurses and 35 patients. The Los Angeles Times reported that the manager of Fallujah General Hospital “had told a US general the location of the downtown makeshift medical center” before it was hit. Whether the clinic was targeted or destroyed accidentally, the effect was the same: To eliminate many of Fallujah’s doctors from the war zone. As Dr. Jumaili told the Independent on Nov. 14: “There is not a single surgeon in Fallujah.” When fighting moved to Mosul, a similar tactic was used: On entering the city, US and Iraqi forces immediately seized control of the Al-Zaharawi hospital. The images from last month’s siege on Fallujah came almost exclusively from reporters embedded with US troops. This is because Arab journalists who had covered April’s siege from the civilian perspective had effectively been eliminated. Al-Jazeera had no cameras on the ground because it has been banned from reporting in Iraq indefinitely. Al-Arabiya did have an unembedded reporter, Abdel Kader Al-Saadi, in Fallujah, but on Nov. 11 US forces arrested him and held him for the length of the siege. Al-Saadi’s detention has been condemned by Reporters Without Borders and the International Federation of Journalists. “We cannot ignore the possibility that he is being intimidated for just trying to do his job,” the IFJ stated. It’s not the first time journalists in Iraq have faced this kind of intimidation. When US forces invaded Baghdad in April 2003, US Central Command urged all unembedded journalists to leave the city. Some insisted on staying and at least three paid with their lives. On April 8, a US aircraft bombed Al-Jazeera’s Baghdad offices, killing reporter Tareq Ayyoub. Al-Jazeera has documentation proving it gave the coordinates of its location to US forces. On the same day, a US tank fired on the Palestine Hotel, killing José Couso, of the Spanish network Telecinco, and Taras Protsiuk, of Reuters. Three US soldiers are facing a criminal lawsuit from Couso’s family, which alleges that US forces were well aware that journalists were in the Palestine Hotel and that they committed a war crime.... “We don’t do body counts,” said Gen. Tommy Franks of US Central Command. The question is: What happens to the people who insist on counting the bodies — the doctors who must pronounce their patients dead, the journalists who document these losses, the clerics who denounce them? In Iraq, evidence is mounting that these voices are being systematically silenced through a variety of means, from mass arrests, to raids on hospitals, media bans, and overt and unexplained physical attacks. Mr. Ambassador, I believe that your government and its Iraqi surrogates are waging two wars in Iraq. One war is against the Iraqi people, and it has claimed an estimated 100,000 lives. The other is a war on witnesses. Acca Pulco, Dr R, YOUR HELP IS REQUIERED URGENTLY! THIS IS A LETTER FROM A PROFESSOR, I THINK HE LOST IT COMPLETELY, MORE PARANOID THAN THIS ONE CAN'T GO! I THINK THAT RAGE MAKES ANYONE BECOME A TERRORIST REGARDLESS OF RELIGION OR COUNTRY OF ORIRGIN!----------------------------------------- I'm an ordinary American. Wife (whom I love and respect), 2 kids (to whom I would give both of my kidneys), 2 cars (ten years old), big mortgage, and a job not always pleasurable. I've worked hard all my adult life to provide for my family, to be useful, and not go out of my way to injure anyone. Like most Americans, I knew little about arab-muslim culture and believed that the developed nations were partly responsible for the poverty and authoritarian regimes that infest the middle east. Things changed on 9/11/01 when you ruined the lives of at least 10,000 Americans. These people instantly became my countrymen and you became my mortal enemy. Ordinary Americans are arming themselves for war with you. I and many of my friends have closets full of handguns, rifles, shotguns and thousands of cartridges. If we had enough ammunition and time, we would kill every last one of you. We completely support our President and our armed forces. We only wish they would destroy you faster, but we are certain that they will. We no longer listen to the insane words of Kerry, Harkin, Kennedy, Clark, and others whom we now see as ideologues who would sacrifice our country and our lives on the alter of their vanity and desire for power. We no longer listen to our secular mullahs, our media fools, preaching hatred of America and sapping our will with their lies and deceptions. We watch your cowardly methods of killing by beheading. We are disgusted. But we are not afraid. You turn your women and children into walking bombs. We are disgusted. But we are not afraid. You shoot and rape children. You kill their mothers before their eyes. You burn, hang, and tear apart the bodies of your victims, and then play with body parts. We are disgusted. But we are not afraid. Why should we fear you? What ARE you to be feared? You are cowards. Your bravado is a clown mask that hides the soul of a ghoul. You are not able even to manufacture the knives you use to butcher your bound victims. One day soon, our planes and missiles will begin turning your mosques, your madrasses, your hotels, your government offices, your hideouts, and your neighborhoods into rubble. And then our soldiers will enter your cities and begin the work of killing you, roaches, as you crawl from the debris. As cowards, you will have your hands in the air and you will get on your knees begging for mercy. And we will instead give you justice. Your actions and your words long ago placed you far from any considerations of mercy. You are not men. And if you come to this country and harm a child, shoot a mother, hijack a bus, or bomb a mall, we will do what we did in 1775. Millions of us will form militias. We will burn your mosques. We will invade the offices of pro-arab-muslim organizations, destroy them, and drag their officers outside. We will tell the chancellors of universities either to muzzle or remove anti American professors, whose hatred for their own country we have tolerated only because we place a higher value on freedom of speech. But we will no longer tolerate treason. We will muzzle and remove them. We will transport arab-muslims to our deserts, where they can pray to scorpions under the blazing sun. You have fucked with the wrong people. We will rid the world of your foul breath. Your caliphate will be your grave. Acca Pulco, Dr R, what's your comment on this? I found this on one of those pro war sites, I managed to copy it before they removed it. Too many americans were protesting against this letter! Just to show you how paranoia can makes even prfessors lose it! My posts on those forums have never been published! the reasons are obvious! Dale Johnson, Smoke Weed Everyday!!! Bongs, Blunts, Bowls, & Joints "hey kid, ya like flying? well i got something that will really make you fly" Acca Pulco, Is that a bird? is that Plane? Is that a fly? No it's the man who never reached the sky! POS! Acca Pulco, So Dr R, where are you sir? I knew it! my research is quiet disturbing as presenting hard facts make anyone back up, even the most skilled BRAIN-WASHERS! I hope that many idiots, who were not aware of the facts presented here in the articles I posted, realize that the truth must be researched in depth and not stop to what they say on TV! There are in fact huge possibilities that these conspiracy theories might be really the true version of what really happened! Acca Pulco, HEY DOCTOR R, are you there? I know you are! WELL CHECK THIS OUT!----------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------- The heroic defense of Falluja by the Iraqi Resistance may go down in the history books as the turning point not only in the liberation of Iraq but also in the global struggle against revanchist U.S. imperialism. It may turn out to be what the siege of Stalingrad was for the Nazis, where one of whose best-trained and equipped armies failed to survive the harsh Russian winter and the tenacity of the Soviet people fighting for their socialist homeland. Indeed, it looks like it’s going to be a long hot summer for the United States and its dwindling number of “allies” in Iraq -- if they make it that long. One year after the invasion, mass uprisings are taking place across the country from north to south and east to west, definitively putting the lie to the assertions by the Bush gang that the U.S. was going into Iraq in order to help the Iraqi people and that the troops would be received as “liberators”. What bullshit! Turn on your TV now. Are they going to maintain that millions of Iraqis who are demanding that the U.S. get the fuck out of their country, who have seen through the scam and are not waiting for a token June handover of power to a select group of quislings but are taking real power themselves, are all “terrorists”? What are they going to do? Are they going to try to carpet bomb whole rebel cities like Falluja into submission? Perhaps so. The U.S. military and political establishment tried to do it before in Vietnam. The signs are ominous. In Falluja, they are using F-16's with cluster bombs; they have attacked hospitals and mosques and killed hundreds of civilians already. More soldiers are being brought in country. The Bush gang, already beset by defections and contradictions, knows that its fate hangs on what happens in Iraq. But, as with Vietnam, the imperialists will never succeed in imposing their will on a proud and politically aware people who know what the U.S. is really there for, namely to seize the oil and for propping up Israel. They will only succeed in creating more angry insurgents in Iraq. More and more opposition will grow in countries around the world, where the U.S. is already widely scorned and hated. And the chickens will surely come home to roost right here in the United States with more and more social tumult being inevitable. The upheavals of the Sixties will look like a picnic if they keep on escalating this immoral and illegal war. I say to you bastards in power, cut your losses and get out of Iraq before it’s too late. Bring the troops home before they rebel. This will come back to you, sooner rather than later. Many of our well-meaning liberal friends are advocating the intervention of the United Nations. To save the day for what? For imperialism under another flag? The United Nations did nothing substantial, after expelling a lot of hot air, to stop this aggression against a sovereign country in the first place. Moreover, it was the instrument for a decade by which the U.S. waged war with economic sanctions against Iraq, a war that resulted in the deaths of thousands of people. How can it possibly have any credibility in Iraq? Why, pray tell, does it have any credibility with you? The UN has only on rare instances acted according to its founding articles for peace and international understanding. From the Korean War through Vietnam to the present, it has mainly served as an instrument through the Security Council for the "Great Powers", especially the United States, to manage "crises", i.e., popular struggles. Alternatives to the UN -- ones that are truly internationalist and genuinely democratic -- such as the World Social Forums are emerging today. The antiwar movement should come out in support of the Iraqi Resistance. Yes, I know it is composed of many factions, not all of them compatible with progressive stances on important social issues such as women’s rights. But the main enemy of the world’s people at this point in time is U.S. imperialism. They are the Nazis of the present day, with equally arrogant aspirations – whether under Bush’s naked fist or Kerry’s more gloved approach – to dominate the world and, in their case, to extend their military intimidation against those who might dare to lift up their heads to oppose them even into the “high ground” of outer space. Frankly speaking, a good ass-kicking defeat for them in Iraq, another tail-between-the-legs pull out as happened in Vietnam, would be a victory for the people of Palestine, the people of Venezuela, the people of Colombia, the people of Cuba, the people of the Philippines, the people of Korea, all those Third World people who want their freedom from capitalist exploitation – and ultimately for the working people of the United States and other more “developed” countries. We should welcome it and do whatever we can to help it. I was one of those “traitorous” Americans at the time of the Vietnam War who tried to uphold more universal moral principles than my country right or wrong. I was angry at the crimes of the nation-state I happened to be born in. I cheered when the heroic Vietnamese finally drove the murderous U.S. legions and bombers out of their beautiful land. I’m angry again now, and I’m in solidarity with a fight for national liberation and cheering "the enemy" all over again. californian, Acca Pulco: You go man. Just like you I am also looking for answers to those questions. I happened to be inside the WTC when the first plane hit the first tower. Then I went to my office which was about ten minutes walk or 2 minute subway ride wondering what was goin on at the WTC. Later at the office we found out what had happened and I walked to the WTC and looked at it from Broadway st. There was black smoke coming out of the upper stories and I looked at it and thought this was not a big deal for the fire department. Soon then will be here and put the smoke out. So I went back to work. Minutes later we were told the building had collapsed and I could not believe it. And since I worked in manhattan I was locked in manhattan all day and got home at 6 pm to find out what really was going on. For last three years like other people I have been believing the official version of what happened on that day. Until one day I came across the conspiracy theories and thought well some of the points they rise do make sense. Of course like so many other conspiracy theories no one will answer them and life will go on. I want to add some more questions to the list you have: What did Bush know about the attacks. And what was that look on his face when he was told a second plane had hit the WTC. Seem like a nod to me? Why is the hole in the Pentagon only 65 feet or so when the jet hitting had a wing span of 125 feet. And why was there no debris from the plane. Were no jews killed in the atacks when 85 other nations lost people. What happened to black boxes from Pentagon and Pennsylvania attacks if we accept that the black boxes from the WTC were destroyed in the rubble. Why has the 911 commission not looked at any of the evidence presented by the conspiracy theories.Why has the 911 commission not printed Bush and other senior administrations interviews. What was Bin Laden family doing visiting the Bush senior on that day. Acca Pulco, THIS ARTICLE IS VERY POWERFUL! A MUST READ MIND OPENER!---------------------------------- -------------------TITLE:---CONSPIRACY-------- -PART 1--------------------------------------- Remember: those who are at the top of the heap will always take whatever steps are necessary to maintain the status quo and the way this is done is via "official culture" which is a product of COINTELPRO. The most effective weapon of COINTELPRO is Ridicule and Debunking. Notice that Marchetti points out that this is done via manipulation of individuals in areas of important public influence - including the academic world and the mass media. Bottom line is: if you have bought into the emotionally manipulated consensus of "official culture" that there are no conspiracies, that there is no "Third Man," it is very likely that you are being manipulated by fear of ridicule. You are in denial. You have been hypnotized by the suggestions of the holy men of the Secret Cult. And you have chosen to believe them over your own possible observations and senses. Acca Pulco, THIS ARTICLE IS VERY POWERFUL! A MUST READ MIND OPENER!---------------------------------- -------------------TITLE:---CONSPIRACY-------- -PART 2--------------------------------------- Now, here is the clincher: The reader might wish to have a look at Kevin MacDonald's The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements where they will learn that "ethnic Jews have a powerful influence in the American media—far larger than any other identifiable group. The extent of Jewish ownership and influence on the popular media in the United States is remarkable given the relatively small proportion of the population that is Jewish." In other words, Israel is in control of the means of creating the "official culture" of America to suit its own agenda, including making the terms "conspiracy theory" and "anti-Semitic" such horrible epithets that no one would dare to speak anything that might put them at risk of be so branded! There exists in our world today a powerful and dangerous secret cult. So wrote Victor Marchetti, a former high-ranking CIA official, in his book The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence. This is the first book the U.S. Government ever went to court to censor before publication. In this book, Marchetti tells us that there IS a "Cabal" that rules the world and that its holy men are the clandestine professionals of the Central Intelligence Agency. In our opinion, the CIA is but one "arm" of the cult, just as Dominicans were but one order of the Catholic Church. To borrow from, and paraphrasing, Marchetti: Remember: those who are at the top of the heap will always take whatever steps are necessary to maintain the status quo and the way this is done is via "official culture" which is a product of COINTELPRO. The most effective weapon of COINTELPRO is Ridicule and Debunking. Notice that Marchetti points out that this is done via manipulation of individuals in areas of important public influence - including the academic world and the mass media. Bottom line is: if you have bought into the emotionally manipulated consensus of "official culture" that there are no conspiracies, that there is no "Third Man," it is very likely that you are being manipulated by fear of ridicule. You are in denial. You have been hypnotized by the suggestions of the holy men of the Secret Cult. And you have chosen to believe them over your own possible observations and senses. Acca Pulco, SORRY THIS ONE IS PART 2 ,THE PREVIOUS ONE IS PART 3--------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- Now, here is the clincher: The reader might wish to have a look at Kevin MacDonald's The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements where they will learn that "ethnic Jews have a powerful influence in the American media—far larger than any other identifiable group. The extent of Jewish ownership and influence on the popular media in the United States is remarkable given the relatively small proportion of the population that is Jewish." In other words, Israel is in control of the means of creating the "official culture" of America to suit its own agenda, including making the terms "conspiracy theory" and "anti-Semitic" such horrible epithets that no one would dare to speak anything that might put them at risk of be so branded! There exists in our world today a powerful and dangerous secret cult. So wrote Victor Marchetti, a former high-ranking CIA official, in his book The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence. This is the first book the U.S. Government ever went to court to censor before publication. In this book, Marchetti tells us that there IS a "Cabal" that rules the world and that its holy men are the clandestine professionals of the Central Intelligence Agency. In our opinion, the CIA is but one "arm" of the cult, just as Dominicans were but one order of the Catholic Church. To borrow from, and paraphrasing, Marchetti: Remember: those who are at the top of the heap will always take whatever steps are necessary to maintain the status quo and the way this is done is via "official culture" which is a product of COINTELPRO. The most effective weapon of COINTELPRO is Ridicule and Debunking. Notice that Marchetti points out that this is done via manipulation of individuals in areas of important public influence - including the academic world and the mass media. Bottom line is: if you have bought into the emotionally manipulated consensus of "official culture" that there are no conspiracies, that there is no "Third Man," it is very likely that you are being manipulated by fear of ridicule. You are in denial. You have been hypnotized by the suggestions of the holy men of the Secret Cult. And you have chosen to believe them over your own possible observations and senses. Acca Pulco, 1 Let's face it: we are all taught to avoid uncomfortable realities. Human beings - faced with unpleasant truths about themselves or their reality - react like alcoholics who refuse to admit their condition, or the cuckold husband who is the "last to know," or the wife who does not notice that her husband is abusing her daughter. I am not surprised at the state of denial of the majority of human beings. It is the cultural norm. I am also not surprised at the projection of their discomfort onto those who ask uncomfortable questions by accusing them of being "conspiracy theorists." Now that the reader has some idea that they are probably going to deny nearly everything that I am going to say, let us move to the "context" that I believe may be important to the events of 9-11. The context is that the term "conspiracy theory" has been tootled for a number of years in such a way that the mere pronouncing of the words acts to turn off the thinking capacities of the average American. It is almost as effective as pronouncing any criticism of Israeli government to be anti-Semitic. The first thing we want to think about is the fact that the word "conspiracy" evokes such a strong reaction in all of us: nobody wants to be branded as a "conspiracy theorist." It just isn't "acceptable." It's "un-scientific" or it's evidence of mental instability. Right? That's what you are thinking, isn't it? Have you ever asked yourself WHY the word evokes such an instantaneous emotional reaction? Have you ever wondered why it stimulates such a strong "recoil?" After all, it is only a word. It only describes the idea of people in "high places" thinking about things and doing things that manipulate other people to produce benefits for themselves. Richard M. Dolan studied at Alfred University and Oxford University before completing his graduate work in history at the University of Rochester, where he was a finalist for a Rhodes scholarship. Dolan studied U.S. Cold War strategy, Soviet history and culture, and international diplomacy. He has written about "conspiracy" in the following way: The very label [conspiracy] serves as an automatic dismissal, as though no one ever acts in secret. Let us bring some perspective and common sense to this issue. The United States comprises large organizations - corporations, bureaucracies, "interest groups," and the like - which are conspiratorial by nature. That is, they are hierarchical, their important decisions are made in secret by a few key decision-makers, and they are not above lying about their activities. Such is the nature of organizational behavior. "Conspiracy," in this key sense, is a way of life around the globe. Acca Pulco, 2 Within the world's military and intelligence apparatuses, this tendency is magnified to the greatest extreme. During the 1940s, [...] the military and its scientists developed the world's most awesome weapons in complete secrecy... [...] Anyone who has lived in a repressive society knows that official manipulation of the truth occurs daily. But societies have their many and their few. In all times and all places, it is the few who rule, and the few who exert dominant influence over what we may call official culture. - All elites take care to manipulate public information to maintain existing structures of power. It's an old game. America is nominally a republic and free society, but in reality an empire and oligarchy, vaguely aware of its own oppression, within and without. I have used the term "national security state" to describe its structures of power. It is a convenient way to express the military and intelligence communities, as well as the worlds that feed upon them, such as defense contractors and other underground, nebulous entities. Its fundamental traits are secrecy, wealth, independence, power, and duplicity. Nearly everything of significance undertaken by America's military and intelligence community in the past half-century has occured in secrecy. The undertaking to build an atomic weapon, better known as the Manhattan Project, remains the great model for all subsequent activities. For more than two years, not a single member of Congress even knew about it although its final cost exceeded two billion dollars. During and after the Second World War, other important projects, such as the development of biological weapons, the importation of Nazi scientists, terminal mind-control experiments, nationwide interception of mail and cable transmissions of an unwitting populace, infiltration of the media and universities, secret coups, secret wars, and assassinations all took place far removed not only from the American public, but from most members of Congress and a few presidents. Indeed, several of the most powerful intelligence agencies were themselves established in secrecy, unknown by the public or Congress for many years. Since the 1940s, the US Defense and Intelligence establishment has had more money at its disposal than most nations. In addition to official dollars, much of the money is undocumented. From its beginning, the CIA was engaged in a variety of off-the-record "business" activities that generated large sums of cash. The connections of the CIA with global organized crime (and thus de facto with the international narcotics trade) has been well established and documented for many years. - Much of the original money to run the American intelligence community came from very wealthy and established American families, who have long maintained an interest in funding national security operations important to their interests. In theory, civilian oversight exists over the US national security establishment. The president is the military commander-in-chief. Congress has official oversight over the CIA. The FBI must answer to the Justice Department. In practice, little of this applies. One reason has to do with secrecy. [...] A chilling example of such independence occurred during the 1950s, when President Eisenhower effectively lost control of the US nuclear arsenal. The situation deteriorated so much that during his final two years in office, Eisenhower asked repeatedly for an audience with the head of Strategic Air Command to learn what America's nuclear retaliatory plan was. What he finally learned in 1960, his final year in office, horrified him: half of the Northern Hemisphere would be obliterated. If a revered military hero such as Eisenhower could not control America's nuclear arsenal, nor get a straight answer from the Pentagon, how on earth could Presidents Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, or Nixon regarding comparable matters? Secrecy, wealth and independence add up to power. Through the years, the national security state has gained access to the wrorld's most sophisticated technology sealed off millions of acres of land from public access or scrutiny, acquired unlimited snooping ability within US borders and beyond, conducted overt or clandestine actions against other nations, and prosecuted wars without serious media scrutiny. Domestically, it maintains influence over elected officials and communities hoping for some of the billions of defense dollars. [including scientists, universities, etc.] Deception is the key element of warfare, and when winning is all that matters, the conventional morality held by ordinary people becomes an impediment. When taken together, the examples of official duplicity form a nearly single totality. They include such choice morsels as the phony war crisis of 1948, the fabricated missile gap claimed by the air force during the 1950s, the carefully managed events leading to the Gulf of Tonkin resolution... [...] The secrecy stems from a pervasive and fundamental element of life in our world, that those who are at the top of the heap will always take whatever steps are necessary to maintain the status quo. [S]keptics often ask, "Do you really think the government could hide [anything] for so long?" The question itself reflects ignorance of the reality that secrecy is a way of life in the National Security State. Actually though, the answer is yes, and no. Yes, in that cover-ups are standard operating procedure, frequently unknown to the public for decades, becoming public knowledge by a mere roll of the dice. But also no, in that ... information has leaked out from the very beginning. It is impossible to shut the lid completely. The key lies in neutralizing and discrediting unwelcomed information, sometimes through official denial, other times through proxies in the media. [E]vidence [of conspiracy] derived from a grass roots level is unlikely to survive its inevitable conflict with official culture. And acknowledgement about the reality of [conspiracies] will only occur when the official culture deems it worthwhile or necessary to make it. [Don't hold your breath.] This is a widespread phenomenon affecting many people, generating high levels of interest, taking place in near-complete secrecy, for purposes unknown, by agencies unknown, with access to incredible resources and technology. A sobering thought and cause for reflection. [Richard Dolan] Now, think about the word "conspiracy" one more time and allow me to emphasize the key point: From a historical point of view, the ONLY reality is that of conspiracy. Secrecy, wealth and independence add up to power. ...Deception is the key element of warfare, (the tool of power elites), and when winning is all that matters, the conventional morality held by ordinary people becomes an impediment. Secrecy stems from a pervasive and fundamental element of life in our world, that those who are at the top of the heap will always take whatever steps are necessary to maintain the status quo. And how do they do that? By "official culture." Acca Pulco, Another message to all those MORONS/IDIOTS/TWAT/IMBECILS/...and so on! Read here, and give an explanation of this fact; six men who are filed by the FBI to be part of the group of hijackers are still alive and have all contacted the US embassies to have explanations on why their identities with photos have been displayed by the media as being the hijackers! And even when the press interviewed all these men and it's been proven that they have nothing to do with 911 attacks, the FBI did not remove them from the list of the ninteen hijackers. WHY? This proves that the FBI has no clue of who the hijackers were if there were any! It would have been very simple for them to find out if these six men took part at the hijacking of the planes, they could have seen them on all the footages taken by the security cameras in the airports where they imbarked prior to putting them on the list.--------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- Omari Number 1 "A Saudi man has reported to authorities that he is the real Abdul Aziz Al-Omari, and claims his passport was stolen in 1995 while he studied electrical engineering at the University of Denver. Al-Omari says he informed police of the theft." - ABCNews "I couldn't believe it when the FBI put me on their list. They gave my name and my date of birth, but I am not a suicide bomber. I am here. I am alive. I have no idea how to fly a plane. I had nothing to do with this." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001 "The name (listed by the FBI) is my name and the birth date is the same as mine, but I am not the one who bombed the World Trade Center in New York," Abdul Aziz Al-Omari told the London-based Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. "Al-Omari has since been found in Saudi Arabia and is apparently cleared in the case" - New York Times "Saudi Embassy officials in Washington have challenged his identity. They say a Saudi electrical engineer named Abdul Aziz Al-Omari had his passport and other papers stolen in 1996 in Denver when he was a student and reported the theft to police there at the time." - BBC "Abdel Aziz Al-Omari and Saïd Hussein Gharamallah Al-Ghamdi, are well in life, the first in Saudi Arabia and the second in Tunisia for nine months." - Wal Fadjri 21st September 2001 (translate) -------------------------------------------- Omari Number 2 Mr. Al-Omari, a pilot with Saudi Airlines, walked into the US embassy in Jeddah to demand why he was being reported as a dead hijacker in the American media. "Abdul Aziz Al-Omari is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines" - BBC 23rd September 2001 "A pilot with Saudi Airlines, was astonished to find himself accused of hijacking ­ as well as being dead ­ and has visited the US consulate in Jeddah to demand an explanation." - Independent 17th September 2001 This Al-Omari lives with his wife and four children in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. -------------------------------------------- Saeed Al-Ghamdi (Flight 93) (Trained Pilot) "Saeed Al-Ghamdi is one of three hijackers that US officials have said are linked to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network." - BBC No BBC! Mr. Al-Ghamdi is still alive and well and at his job for Tunis Air. "I was completely shocked. For the past 10 months I have been based in Tunis with 22 other pilots learning to fly an Airbus 320. The FBI provided no evidence of my presumed involvement in the attacks." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001 "Asharq Al Awsat newspaper, a London-based Arabic daily, says it has interviewed Saeed Al-Ghamdi." - BBC 23rd September 2001 "Abdel Aziz Al-Omari and Saïd Hussein Gharamallah Al-Ghamdi, are well in life, the first in Saudi Arabia and the second in Tunisia for nine months." - Wal Fadjri 21st September 2001 (translate) "..... not dead and had nothing to do with the heinous terror attacks in New York and Washington." - Saudi embassy --------------- --------------------------------------------- Waleed Al-Shehri (Flight 11) (Trained Pilot) "A sixth person on the FBI's list, Saudi national Waleed Al-Shehri, is living in Casablanca, according to an official with the Royal Air Moroc, the Moroccan commercial airline. According to the unnamed official, Al-Shehri lived in Dayton Beach, Fla., where he took flight training at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. Now he works for a Moroccan airline." On Sept. 22, Associated Press reported that Alshehri had spoken to the U.S. embassy in Morocco. "His photograph was released by the FBI, and has been shown in newspapers and on television around the world. That same Mr Al-Shehri has turned up in Morocco, proving clearly that he was not a member of the suicide attack." - Daily Trust 24th September 2001. "He was reported to have been in Hollywood, Florida, for a month earlier this year but his father, Ahmed, said that Waleed was alive and well and living in Morocco." - Telegraph "Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well." - BBC 23rd September 2001. ------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- Ahmed Al-Nami (Flight 93) "I'm still alive, as you can see. I was shocked to see my name mentioned by the American Justice Department. I had never even heard of Pennsylvania where the plane I was supposed to have hijacked." He had never lost his passport and found it "very worrying" that his identity appeared to have been "stolen" and published by the FBI without any checks. The FBI had said his "possible residence" was Delray Beach in Florida." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001 ------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- Salem Al-Hazmi (Flight 77) "Mr Al-Hamzi is 26 and had just returned to work at a petrochemical complex in the industrial eastern city of Yanbou after a holiday in Saudi Arabia when the hijackers struck. He was accused of hijacking the American Airlines Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001. -------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- Khalid Al-Mihdhar (Flight 77) "Saudi officials at the embassy were unable to verify the whereabouts of the fifth accused hijacker, Khalid Al-Mihdhar. However, Arab newspapers say Al-Mihdhar is still alive. "..... there are suggestions that another suspect, Khalid Al Midhar may also be alive." - BBC 23rd September 2001 --------- -------------------------------------------------- Khalid Al-Mihdhar (Flight 77) "Saudi officials at the embassy were unable to verify the whereabouts of the fifth accused hijacker, Khalid Al-Mihdhar. However, Arab newspapers say Al-Mihdhar is still alive. "..... there are suggestions that another suspect, Khalid Al Midhar may also be alive." - BBC 23rd September 2001 ---------- ------------------------------------------- Even after the above has appeared in the world's media the FBI has made no attempt to alter its web-sites which clearly list the wrong names, wrong photos, wrong identities and probably wrong nationalities of the real hijackers. Given that the hijackers (if there were any) were clearly using false identities, why has the FBI never attempted to find out the hijackers true identities? Why does the FBI seem totally disinterested in apprehending the real culprits? This lack of action from one of our "trusted" government departments is very close to treason. Acca Pulco, WHO WAS REALLY FLYING THOSE PLANES ON 9-11? Hours after the 9-11 attacks, authorities began to find clues conveniently left for them to stumble upon. The Boston Globe reported that a copy of the Koran, instructions on how to fly a commercial airplane and a fuel consumption calculator were found in a pair of bags meant for one of the hijacked flights that left from Logan. 64 Authorities also received a "tip" about a suspicious white car left behind at Boston's Logan Airport. An Arabic-language flight training manual was found inside the car. 65 How fortunate for investigators that the hijackers "forgot" to take their Koran and Arab flight manuals with them! Within a few days, all ? hijackers" were "identified" and their faces were plastered all over our television screens. Then, like a script from a corny "B" spy movie, the official story gets even more ridiculous. The passport of the supposed "ringleader" Mohammed Atta, somehow managed to survive the explosion, inferno, and smoldering collapse to be oh-so-conveniently "found" just a few blocks away from the World Trade Center! 66 It is obvious that this "evidence" was planted by individuals wishing to direct the blame towards MUSLIM ARABS. How is it possible that Arab students who had never flown an airplane could take a simulator course and then fly jumbo jets with the skill and precision of "top-gun" pilots? It is not possible and the fact is, the true identities of the 9-11 hijackers remains a mystery. In the days following the disclosure of the "hijackers" names and faces, no less than 7 of the Arab individuals named came forward to protest their obvious innocence. 67 That's right! Seven of the nineteen "hijackers" are alive and well. They were victims of identity theft, some of whom had had their passports stolen. They were interviewed by several news organizations including the Telegraph of England. Here’s an excerpt from David Harrison’s Telegraph story entitled: Acca Pulco, Revealed: The Men With Stolen Identities: "Their names were flashed around the world as suicide hijackers who carried out the attacks on America. But yesterday four innocent men told how their identities had been stolen. The men - all from Saudi Arabia - spoke of their shock at being mistakenly named by the FBI as suicide terrorists. None of the four was in the United States on September 11 and all are alive in their home country. The Telegraph obtained the first interviews with the men since they learnt that they were on the FBI's list of hijackers who died in the crashes in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania. All four said that they were "outraged" to be identified as terrorists. One has never been to America and another is a Saudi Airlines pilot who was on a training course in Tunisia at the time of the attacks. Saudi Airlines said it was considering legal action against the FBI for seriously damaging its reputation and that of its pilots." 68(emphasis added) The story of these identity thefts was also briefly reported by ABC 69 and BBC (England) 70 The FBI does not deny this. Nobody denies this fact because it is easily verifiable. Instead, the US media and government just ignore this inconvenient little fact and keep right on repeating the monstrous lie that the hijacker identities are known and that 15 of them were Saudis. CNN revealed that FBI director Robert Mueller openly admitted that some of the identities of the 9-11 hijackers are in question due to identity theft. Here’s what CNN reported on September 21: FBI Director Robert Mueller has acknowledged that some of those behind last week's terror attacks may have stolen the identification of other people, and, according to at least one security expert, it may have been "relatively easy" based on their level of sophistication. 71 This opens up a whole Pandora’s box of unanswered questions. First and foremost of which is this: why would Osama Bin laden, the Saudi Arabian caveman, steal identities? To cover his tracks you say? Next question: why would a Saudi Arabian, attempting to cover his tracks, steal the identities of....fellow Saudi Arabians??? What would be the point? Why go you through the trouble of stealing identities that would point back to you? Why not steal Greek identities, or Brazilian identities, or Turkish ones (or Israeli ones)? A much more logical conclusion is that non-Arabs stole these identities as part of a "false flag" operation designed to point the blame at Arabs, and Saudi Arabs in particular. What kind of a corrupt character is FBI boss Mueller? He initially admitted that false identities were involved with 9-11, but then he allows the media to keep naming these innocent, and alive, Arabs as the hijackers? Why doesn’t he correct them? More on the slimy Mr. Mueller later on! Now I'm really going to rock your faith in the false religion of 9-11. In February of 2000, Indian intelligence officials detained 11 members of what they thought was an Al Qaeda hijacking conspiracy. It was then discovered that these 11 "Muslim preachers" were all Israeli nationals! India’s leading weekly magazine, The Week, reported,........... Acca Pulco, THE TWO ZIAD JARRAHS. Ziad Jarrah is one of the best known of the 19 9/11 "hijackers". What most people don't know, however, is that there were actually two Ziad Jarrahs: the one raised in Lebanon and who's picture has been widely circulated by the FBI, and the one that (may have) flown on Flight 93. The evidence of two is undeniable, and amazingly, we even have pictures of the second Jarrah...... Ziad Jarrah is not the only 9/11 "hijacker" to have a secret doppelganger. Although the FBI investigation and the mainstream media have consistently ignored the evidence and its implications, the evidence is often very clear. Numerous 9/11 "hijackers" are, in fact, still alive. To mention some of the more obvious cases..... Acca Pulco, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THOSE WHO HIJACKED THE PLANES ARE NOT THE ONES THE FBI SAYS THEY ARE. Acca Pulco, I rocked on this Forum! It seems that with all the evidence I provided, no one of the MORONS who do not consider other versions of the fact as true, dares to debate anymore! OK, just SHUT UP AND LEARN, IDIOTS! Acca Pulco, SOME MORE FISHY STUFF ABOUT WHY NO JET FIGHTERS TOOK OFF TO INTERCEPT THE HIJACKED PLANES ON 911 WHEN IT'S THE NORM IN SUCH EMERGENCY SITUATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Andrews Air Force Base is a huge military installation just 10 miles from the Pentagon. On 11 September Andrews had two squadrons of fighter jets with the job of protecting the skies over Washington D.C. They failed to do their job. Despite over one hour's advance warning of a terrorist attack in progress, not a single Andrews fighter took off (or scrambled) to protect the city. The FAA, NORAD and the military have cooperative procedures by which fighter jets intercept commercial aircraft under emergency conditions. These procedures were not followed. Air Force officials and others have tried to explain away the failures: "Air Force Lt. Col. Vic Warzinski, another Pentagon spokesman, [said]: 'The Pentagon was simply not aware that this aircraft was coming our way, and I doubt prior to Tuesday's event, anyone would have expected anything like that here.'" --'Newsday,' 23 September 2001 (1) Using information from the mass media and official Websites, we will show that this is a lie. Some of what happened on 9-11, such as planes flying into buildings, is unusual. But most of what happened, such as commercial jets flying off-course, transponder failures and possible hijackings, are everyday emergencies. We will show that these emergencies are routinely handled with expert efficiency based on clear rules. The crash of the first hijacked jet into the World Trade Center made it clear the United States was faced with an extraordinary situation. This should have intensified the emergency responses of the air safety and air defense systems. The whole country was aware. For example, at 9:06 AM the NY Police broadcast: " 'This was a terrorist attack. Notify the Pentagon.'" --'Daily News' (New York) 12 September 2001 (2) 'American Forces Press Service' reported that ordinary people working at the Pentagon worried they could be next: "'We were watching the World Trade Center on the television,' said a Navy officer. 'When the second plane deliberately dove into the tower, someone said, 'The World Trade Center is one of the most recognizable symbols of America. We're sitting in a close second.'" --'DEFENSELINK News', Sept. 13, 2001 (3) U.S. air safety and air defense emergency systems are activated in response to problems every day. On 9-11 they failed despite, not because of, the extreme nature of the emergency. This could only happen if individuals in high positions worked in a coordinated way to make them fail. Such operatives would almost surely have failed if they tried to disrupt and abort routine protection systems without top-level support. The failure of the emergency systems would be noticed immediately. Moreover, given the catastrophic nature of the attacks, the highest military authorities would be alerted. Acting on their own, the operatives could expect that their orders would be countermanded and that they themselves would be arrested. The sabotage of routine protective systems, controlled by strict hierarchies, would never have been contemplated let alone attempted absent the involvement of the supreme U.S. military command. This includes at least U.S. President George Bush, U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and the then-Acting Head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Air Force General Richard B. Myers. In the following summary of evidence we will demonstrate probable cause for charging the above-named persons with treason for complicity in the murders of thousands of people whom they had sworn to protect. The summary of evidence covers the following areas: * Andrews Air Force Base and the myth of 'no available planes;' * The air safety/air defense systems and the myth that they were not prepared; * The actions of George Bush on 9-11 that clearly violated his positive legal and constitutional obligations and demonstrated consciousness of guilt; * The testimony of General Richard B. Myers at Senate hearings on his nomination as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In these hearings, the contents of which were reported accurately by one lone journalist, General Myers attempted to cover up what had happened 9-11 when he was Acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. He offered three mutually contradictory cover stories and demonstrated consciousness of guilt; * The cover story floated by CBS evening news, September 14th. Until that time, officials reported that no planes had been 'scrambled' to intercept the hijacked planes. But following Gen. Myers disastrous Senate testimony, CBS broadcast an improved version of 9-11. In the new script, fighter jets from Otis and Langley Air Force Bases did try, but failed, to intercept the hijacked planes. This is now presented as the official NORAD story and has been repeated uncritically by media and government officials alike. We will demonstrate that this cover story is both weak and incriminating. Part 1: Why did no fighter jets 'scramble' to protect Washington D.C.? Lie #1: 'No Combat Ready Fighters Were Stationed Near The Pentagon' As noted, Andrews Air Force base is 10 miles from the Pentagon. The media has mainly avoided talking about Andrews. An exception is 'USA Today,' the second-highest circulation newspaper in America. On one day it published two contradictory stories to explain the failure to scramble jets from Andrews prior to the Pentagon crash: FIRST 'USA TODAY' STORY: "Andrews Air Force Base, home to Air Force One, is only 15 miles [sic!] away from the Pentagon, but it had no fighters assigned to it. Defense officials won't say whether that has changed." --'USA TODAY,' 17 September 2001 (4) SECOND 'USA TODAY' STORY: "The District of Columbia National Guard maintained fighter planes at Andrews Air Force Base, only about 15 miles [sic!] from the Pentagon, but those planes were not on alert and not deployed." --'USA TODAY' September 17, 2001 (5) Both stories are false. Only one newspaper told the truth. That was the 'San Diego Union-Tribune': "Air defense around Washington is provided mainly by fighter planes from Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland near the District of Columbia border. The D.C. Air National Guard is also based there and equipped with F-16 fighter planes, a National Guard spokesman said. "But the fighters took to the skies over Washington only after the devastating attack on the Pentagon..." --'San Diego Union-Tribune' 12 September 2001. (6) Andrews Air Force Base is a huge installation. It hosts two 'combat-ready' squadrons: * the 121st Fighter Squadron (FS-121) of the 113th Fighter Wing (FW-113), equipped with F-16 fighters; * the 321st Marine Fighter Attack Squadron (VMFA-321) of the 49th Marine Air Group, Detachment A (MAG-49 Det-A), equipped with F/A-18 fighters. These squadrons are served by hundreds of full-time personnel. THE 121st FIGHTER SQUADRON, 113th FIGHTER WING "…as part of its dual mission, the 113th provides capable and ready response forces for the District of Columbia in the event of a natural disaster or civil emergency. Members also assist local and federal law enforcement agencies in combating drug trafficking in the District of Colombia. [They] are full partners with the active Air Force" --DC Military (7) THE 321st MARINE FIGHTER ATTACK SQUADRON (VMFA-321) "In the best tradition of the Marine Corps, a 'few good men and women' support two combat-ready reserve units at Andrews AFB. "Marine Fighter Attack Squadron (VMFA) 321, a Marine Corps Reserve squadron, flies the sophisticated F/A-18 Hornet. Marine Aviation Logistics Squadron 49, Detachment A, provides maintenance and supply functions necessary to maintain a force in readiness. " --DC Military (7) So Andrews AFB had at least two 'combat-ready' squadrons. (www.dcmilitary.com is a private Website authorized by the military to provide information for members of the armed forces. Please see note just before "Footnotes.") Our research has been carried out mainly by volunteers. Newspapers and TV news departments have full-time research staffs. The important media have bureaus in Washington DC, just a few miles from the Andrews airbase. Why haven't newspapers and TV news programs reported the truth: that Andrews job was to protect DC? This failure is especially striking because some media did report that fighters scrambled from Andrews, but only after the Pentagon was hit. Thus they were aware that Andrews was supposed to defend D.C.: For example: " Within minutes of the attack American forces around the world were put on one of their highest states of alert - Defcon 3, just two notches short of all-out war - and F-16s from Andrews Air Force Base were in the air over Washington DC." --'Sunday Telegraph,' (London), 14 September 2001 (8) And: "WASHINGTON - …an audible gasp went up from the rear of the audience as a large black plume of smoke arose from the Pentagon. Terrorism suddenly was at the doorstep and clearly visible through the big glass windows overlooking the Potomac River. Overhead, fighter jets scrambled from Andrews Air Force Base and other installations and cross-crossed the skies… "A thick plume of smoke was climbing out of the hollow center of the Pentagon. Everyone on the train understood what had happened moments before." --'Denver Post,' 11 September 2001 (9) And: "It was after the attack on the Pentagon that the Air Force then decided to scramble F-16s out of the DC National Guard Andrews Air Force Base to fly cover, a--a protective cover over Washington, DC." --NBC Nightly News, (6:30 PM ET) 11 September 11 2001 (10) The media should have demanded to know the truth about why fighter jets assigned to protect Washington didn't scramble an hour BEFORE the Pentagon was hit. Besides fighters, tanker planes and AWACS were also readily available. (An AWACS is a flying communication center equipped with radar which can scan at least 250 miles. This is almost the full distance from the West-Virginia/Ohio/Kentucky border, where American Air Flight 77 turned around before flying back to DC.) Both General Myers and Vice President Cheney admit that these planes did not go into the air over Washington until after the Pentagon was hit. Here is General Myers, testifying 13th September: "When it became clear what the threat was, we did scramble fighter aircraft, AWACS, radar aircraft and tanker aircraft to begin to establish orbits in case other aircraft showed up in the FAA system that were hijacked." --Gen. Richard B. Myers at Senate confirmation hearing 13 September 2001 (11) And Richard Cheney on 'Meet the Press': "VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, the--I suppose the toughest decision was this question of whether or not we would intercept incoming commercial aircraft. "MR. RUSSERT: And you decided?' "VICE PRES. CHENEY: We decided to do it. We'd, in effect, put a flying combat air patrol up over the city; F-16s with an AWACS, which is an airborne radar system, and tanker support so they could stay up a long time." --NBC, 'Meet the Press' (10:00 AM ET) 16 September 2001 (12) As we shall see, Mr. Cheney's statement that "the toughest decision was this question of whether or not we would intercept incoming commercial aircraft" is a lie. Publicly available FAA documents prove that fighter jets routinely intercept commercial aircraft under certain designated circumstances without requiring or asking for approval from the White House. Acca Pulco, http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3 stop the insanity, Acca Pulco, I want to extend my congratulations to you. You have posted 50 times on this board, and about 23 of those came after Dr. R stopped posting to you. Are you mad? Can you not make your case and then get on with your life, or are you completely absorbed with conspiracy theories and unwilling to accept the fact that 19 US-hating Muslims were on a mission to change the face of US history forever? Osama Bin Laden blatantly admitted that he orchestrated the attacks in one of his videos sent to Al-Jazeera. How can you claim doctoring of these videos when they were sent to an Arab news network? There are true experts in the field of verifying authenticity of video and audio transmissions, and they have verified its authenticity. Are you so bold as to claim it is easy to edit video and audio to fool others, when you would easily be flushed out by the experts? The US news networks love to uncover conspiracies because they boost their ratings when compared to the other US networks. Why aren't they all over these conspiracies and "obvious" visual evidence? Because it doesn't exist!! I am astounded at the imaginations of these grown adults such as yourself. Am I saying that the US government never has conspiracies? No way. Watergate is an obvious one. But to state the obvious, virtually every government has some sort of conspiracy brewing. It's just a matter of uncovering it. Take a rest, Acca Pulco. And stop talking to yourself. The 9/11 Commission has done hundreds of interviews, and has gathered explicit detail about the hijackers' lifestyles and preparations leading up to the attacks. Many of the people on the 9/11 Commission are Democrats and frankly don't like Bush very much. Your defense of a conspiracy is to show grainy video shots of Flight 175, to claim there was a missile attached to the plane? Pathetic! Why would you need a missile when you have 20,000 gallons of jet fuel? Acca Pulco, I am not surprised at the state of denial of the majority of human beings. It is the cultural norm. I am also not surprised at the projection of their discomfort onto those who ask uncomfortable questions by accusing them of being "conspiracy theorists." The issue we are facing here, is that it seems that we can talk about conspiracy and not theory anymore. One important thing I noticed, is that, who ever objects the conspiracy fact, keeps on providing as proof elements that have no substance like the video of Osama Bin confessing that he is the author of 911 attacks, turning around and around in circle like a mad dog who tries to bite his tail. Now even considering that effectively he is behind it, and that the planes were really hijacked by Islamic Terrorists, someone, and this is what everyone fails to do every time, has still to provide detailed explanations to the famous questions, ones again I will repeat some in the hope that someone of those who objects gives a valid answer. 1) 8 black boxes, none found, I find it impossible! No one explains this fact! 2) why no jet fighters took off to intercept the planes? This one is one of the strongest points that lead to think that there is something very wrong, any commercial plane that goes off course is intercepted within minutes, here not only they knew about planes off their routes but it was evident that the planes were used in the most brutal attack on America, yet, no order has been given to jetfighters to take off till after the last plane crashed! 3) experts said that the fire that developed in the towers did not generate temperatures high enough to melt the 47 high grade steel columns in WTC. And that even in that case the towers would have taken hours to collapse and not only few seconds. Anyways I will not repeat all what’s in the reports I have posted in this forum. Until any of those who object the conspiracy, come with specific answers to all the questions that rise doubts about the official version, and stop coming with the ridiculous/pathetic confession of OB on TV as a proof, I will hold on to my doubts, and the more I see that everyone avoids answering in detail to the questions, the more it convinces me that it’s no longer a conspiracy theory but only a conspiracy, period! A conspiracy theory is a situation based on no evidence whatsoever, on the other hand it becomes conspiracy when supported by evidence, Amen! OsManli, Acca Pulco, Don't forget Mo Atta and his Venice fly'in circus, who had american girl friends, went to "party" at strip clubs, bars, etc. They seem to like "USA freedoms"... so how can these "devote pious muslims" slam planes (they could not fly) into buildings with pin point accuracy... then, change the laws of thermodynamics to make jet fuel soften high grade steel to make those nice buildings fall like a controlled demolition! Who are the "conspiracy theorists", I keep forgetting! stop the insanity, Acca Pulco, I would like to respond to the 3 points you bring up. 1) Your statement about none of the black boxes being recovered is absolutely false. Both black boxes were recovered from Flight 93, the plane that crashed in a field in Pennsylvania, and Flight 77, the plane that crashed into the Pentagon. Audio taken from the Flight 93 voice recorder is stated in detail in the 9/11 Commission report. The Flight 77 flight data recorder still worked while the cockpit voice recorder did not. And the black boxes from the other planes? I can only say that the remaining black boxes were flown into buildings that were over 100 stories tall and collapsed fully to the ground. It seems highly unlikely that the black boxes would salvage information even if they were recovered. Considering how pulverized the debris was, and considering the awesome extent of the debris, it should not seem odd that these black boxes could not be salvaged for review. They are designed to withstand heat and sudden impact --- they are not designed to withstand being crushed by thousands of tons of concrete and building materials, even if they are found. 2) Your point about jet fighters not taking off until the last plane crashed is also false. Jets took off before Flight 11 crashed into the World Trade Center, but only minutes before the crash occurred. The 9/11 Commission's report makes it clear that the inability of jets to scramble in time can be summed up in 2 words: MASS CONFUSION. People in the FAA did not know who to call, and once the correct people were informed it was too late. Many people were confused on the protocol, and they were also confused about the magnitude of the situation. Also, they were originally working on the false assumption that people hijack planes with the intent of landing safely; the events of 9/11 shattered that philosophy. Read the 9/11 Commission's report for the full detail. 3) Your argument on this point is analogous to arguments made in high-profile murder trials here in the United States. In these trials, the plantiffs (prosecutors) will bring experts who say that the available DNA evidence is sufficient to prove guilt on the part of the defendant. Then the attorney of the defendant will call his own experts who say that the DNA evidence was improperly collected, and therefore cannot be credible because the DNA could have been contaminated. To do this, they will scrutinize the collection of the evidence to look for any possible deviation from procedures. If they find just one little thing wrong, they jump on it and claim contamination or even conspiracy. To get to the point, you say there are experts who claim that ignited jet fuel cannot generate high enough temperatures to melt steel. I would like to state that there are also experts who say that these fires were quite capable of deforming steel or at least resulted in a deterioration in strength. You mention in this discussion that "the towers would have taken hours to collapse and not only few seconds." I'm not sure why you say this, as the south tower collapsed in 1 hour while the north tower collapsed in about 1 hour and 30 minutes, not a "few seconds" as you claim. In summary, I am somewhat disturbed by your points, as you seem to state what you believe are facts (especially your first point) when they are absolutely false. This means that you are either intentionally stating false truths or you are confused. For your sake, I will not claim a "coverup" on your part and will simply accept that you are probably confused. I suggest that you read the 9/11 Commission's report. I am shocked that you appear not to have read it. Some links: http://www.fema.gov/library/wtcstudy.shtm (see especially Chapter 2) http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/latest/AIBS_2002_wtc.pdf http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSAttack010914/14_blackbox-ap.html OsManli, To "stop the insanity", there are many problems with the "official" 9-11 story. Just take a look at the event of steel structures collapsing because of burning jet fuel in AN OPEN SYSTEM. Did the fanatic pervert nudie bar lov'in "islamists" change the laws of thermodynamics?? YOU ARE THE INSANITY, from ACCAPULCO. I was away, but I am back to teach you a lesson on how to stop LYING! LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR! THE CURIOUS COLLAPSE OF THE TWIN TOWERS The government/media approved version of events insists that the fires in the World Trade Center burned so hot that they caused steel supports to melt and buckle, thus triggering a total collapse of the towers. This is a strange theory for a number of reasons: 1. The architects who designed the World Trade Center designed it to withstand the direct impact and fuel fire of a commercial airline crash. Aaron Swirsky, one of the architects of the WTC described the collapse as "incredible" and "unbelievable." 96 Lee Robertson, the project's structural engineer said: "I designed it for a 707 to hit it. The Boeing 707 has a fuel capacity comparable to the 767." 97 2. The history of high-rise building fires provides no case histories of buildings collapsing due to steel beams melting from a fire. 3. The collapse of both towers were both perfectly symmetrical and methodical. The straight down collapse was identical in appearance to a well engineered, controlled implosion. A demolition company could not have done it better. Now that we know that all one has to do to bring a tall building straight down is set a fuel fire in it, the well trained experts who work for demolition companies should all be out of a job by now! Even a layman with no explosives background should be able to see this. But many specialists in the explosives and structural engineering have also made this observation and commented on these inconsistencies. After the WTC collapse, the Vice President of New Mexico Tech, Van Romero, gave an interview to the Albuquerque Journal. He stated plainly that he believed that the WTC collapse was too methodical and that explosive devices must have been placed in key points of both buildings. Romero said: "It would be difficult for something from the plane to trigger an event like that. It could have been a relatively small amount of explosives placed in strategic points. One of the things that terrorists are noted for is a diversionary attack and a secondary device." 98 In that same interview, Romero revealed that he was in Washington DC when the attacks took place. He and a colleague were there to discuss defense research programs for New Mexico Tech. A few days after his interview, Romero abruptly changed his opinion and told the Albuquerque Journal that he no longer believed that bombs brought down the towers. 99 Romero, who relies upon the Zionist occupied Pentagon for funding, had suddenly flip-flopped and joined the "melted steel" theorists. There is more than just my own common sense and Romero's expert opinion to support the belief that the towers were imploded from within. Several witnesses and survivors reported hearing bombs going off inside the World Trade Center. Louie Cacchioli is a firefighter with Engine 47 in Harlem, New York. Cacchioli told People Magazine the following: "I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there were bombs set in the building." 100 sam iam, reading the comments on the article is very disturbing and does nothing but reinforce the idea that we are heading to a clash of civilizations. When 2 people are so ideaologically opposed that rational thought can't be applied to the argument then they are war. As much as certain parts of their society may not want war, they're going to be drug into it. It's a shame but if can't have reasonable discussion then I see no other recourse given human nature. So maybe when you wake up next to a mushroom cloud you'll realize maybe we should have had that rational discussion. INVESTIGO911###, Let's start some serious investigation about 911. INVESTIGO911###, Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the ancient Greek philosopher Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous information in the first place. Not surprisingly, this type of teaching didn't sit well with the ruling elite of Greece. Many political leaders throughout history have always sought to mislead the thinking of the masses. INVESTIGO911###, Socrates was tried for "subversion" and for "corrupting the youth". He was then forced to take his own life by drinking poison. It's never easy being an independent thinker! Today, our ruling government/media complex doesn't kill people for pursuing the truth about the world (at least not yet!) They simply label them as "extremists" or "paranoid", destroying careers and reputations in the process. For many, that's a fate even worse than drinking poison hemlock! INVESTIGO911###, Every news story you are about to review in this comprehensive research paper is true and easily verifiable. This investigation represents 10 months of careful study, research, analysis, source verification and logical deduction. Every event and quote presented here is 100% accurate. There are over 190 detailed footnotes which I encourage, no, urge, readers to explore and verify for themselves. The Internet version of this paper will allow users to obtain instant verification for each and every footnote by clicking on the footnotes/links. Others can obtain easy verification by entering the key search words (provided at the end of the paper) into the Yahoo or Google.com search engines. Due to the fact that well organized efforts are under way to suppress these facts, some of these news links are mysteriously disappearing even as we speak. Fortunately, this information has all been transcribed by many web users and is has therefore been preserved from the censors. These footnote searches will take you directly to the news sites of many well known established media organizations throughout the world as well as opening up doors to a world of knowledge and information that has been concealed from you. With just a little common sense and a few clicks of a mouse, Google and Yahoo now enable anyone with an ounce of curiosity to become a Sherlock Holmes. INVESTIGO911###, To complete your home work you must go to this link: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm INVESTIGO911###, This is no opinion piece. Rather it is a collection of buried, but undeniable facts, events, and quotes which, when assembled in one place, will state their own conclusions. In putting together this research in a logical and sequential format, great care was taken to confirm and double confirm every piece of information. Any and all questionable data which could not be independently verified to this author’s satisfaction was discarded. INVESTIGO911###, This is no opinion piece. Rather it is a collection of buried, but undeniable facts, events, and quotes which, when assembled in one place, will state their own conclusions. In putting together this research in a logical and sequential format, great care was taken to confirm and double confirm every piece of information. Any and all questionable data which could not be independently verified to this author’s satisfaction was discarded. INVESTIGO911###, PLEASE NOTE: read the whole research and complete it in all its details. Only then you can express a judgement! Not a final one though; a beleif should be kept, only if backed up by irrefutable proof and evidence, Have fun! INVESTIGO911###, Documentary, 9/11 In Plane Sight INVESTIGO911###, Shocking - Thought provoking - Raises serious questions about the government's honesty in conducting the 9-11 investigation" "Absolutely awesome. This is the one September 11 video that everyone should see INVESTIGO911###, http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6847.htm INVESTIGO###, 911 In Plane Site Produced and Written by Dave VonKleist It starts off with the following disclaimer: “Please be advised that the information you are about to view is overwhelmingly significant. We offer no conclusions, but simply present the evidence and let you the viewing audience draw your own conclusions. It is vital that we also mention that the footage you are about to view comes from many of the largest news agencies in the United States who covered the events which unfolded on September 11, 2001. Efforts were made to contact the news agencies and obtain releases for the footage to which we draw attention, however, most of our attempts were unsuccessful as we were informed that no licenses would be granted. Our initial reaction was to pause and to re-think our position on releasing this documentary, but after careful thought we could not let this information be kept from the American people and indeed from the global community as it affects both NATIONAL SECURITY and GLOBAL SECURITY respectfully.” “September 11 changed the world.” “This documentary will change September 11.” vonKleist “It’s been said that all truth passes through 3 stages. The first stage being denial. The second stage being violent opposition. And the 3rd stage being widespread acceptance as common knowledge. Well as you view this documentary keep in mind that people watching will probably fall into one of those 3 categories. One group of people will absolutely deny that what they’re seeing could possibly be true. The second group of people will be violently opposed to this kind of information being released, and they’ll do everything that they can to discredit the messenger, rather than pay attention to the message. And yet there will probably be a third group of people who will sit back in their easy chairs and say, “I’m not surprised, I knew it all along. With this in mind, let’s begin by playing a little word association. I’ll say a word, and you think of the first word that comes to mind. Conspiracy–(pause) Theory, is what most people think of. We’ve all been conditioned to associate the word theory with the word conspiracy because after all, no conspiracies could possibly be true, they’re all just “theories” aren’t they. Well in the phrase conspiracy theory there are two words, the first word conspiracy, the second word is the active word–theory. By definition, a theory is a supposition, an idea, a concept, a hypothesis. Let me give you an example. In theory, if I purchase a raffle ticket I could win a prize. Now as long as I don’t purchase a raffle ticket, my win is theoretical. But once you purchase a raffle ticket, the win is no longer a theory, it becomes a possibility. And the more raffle tickets you purchase, the more possible, and eventually–probable, the win becomes. Such is the case with a conspiracy theory. As long as there is no evidence, it is a conspiracy theory. But once you have a piece of evidence, no matter how flimsy or circumstantial it may be, it becomes a possibility. And the more evidence that is gathered, the more possible and eventually probable the conspiracy is. You’ll be looking at evidence in this documentary. And it will be up to you to decide if this is a conspiracy theory, or indeed a conspiracy.” Sound file of George Bush plays: “Let us not tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th, malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty.” vonKleist: “On September 11th, 2001, 4 events occurred within an hour and fifteen minutes of one another. The first event occurred at 8:45 eastern standard time when American Airlines flight 11 hit the North Tower of the World Trade Center. And then 18 minutes later at 9:03 eastern time United Airlines flight 175 slammed into the South Tower of the world trade center. And then at 9:43 it was reported that American Airlines flight 77 had hit the pentagon. And then finally, at 10:00 eastern time, United Airlines flight 93 crashed in Shanksville Pennsylvania. Now unless this is one incredible coincidence, is it not safe to assume that all four of these events are inescapably married to one another? And is it not also safe to assume, that if you find one person involved, or a party involved in one of these events they’re probably involved in all of them? Well following this train of thought, since there was no credible claim of responsibility, is it not safe to assume that those involved, those parties involved, or agencies or groups that were involved in the events of 9-11, would do anything that they can to obfuscate, distract, distort or cover up any information that might lead to their discovery? And if that’s true, is it not also safe to assume that if you find somebody, a group, agency, a party, that is involved in the obfuscation, distraction, distortion, or cover up of any information involved in ANY of the events of 9-11, does it not indicate possible involvement and even guilt in the events of 9-11? Keep this in mind as we look at the video evidence of September 11th. Acca Pulco, September 11th And The Bush Administration - Compelling Evidence for Complicity [[RM archive copy]] - a very well put together summary of why the "official version" of what happened that day is basically about as believable as "the dog ate my homework" or "Who put the presents under the tree - tell me Mommy!" - "Why, Santa did, of course, dear!". Just unbelievable to me (and a growing number of others) how these people can keep getting away with such blatant lies, in the pursuit of such an obvious criminal agenda. Acca Pulco, The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, for the vast masses of a nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies, but would be ashamed to tell big lies. --Adolf Hitler Dr.S.Amin, Dear Mr.Mishari Al-Thaidi,Dear viewers, lastly Mr.Aca Pulco please visit these sites :- (before we comment further) www.911inplanesite.com + www.beyondtreason.com + www.davidduke.com + www.harunyahya.com ( click end of times , then movies-end of times,download full= 81 mpeg and hear & listen to the hints) Please go to First article on this forum = HOW DOVES BECAME HAWKS,A.Al-Rashid , for a positive closing note. Dr.Shahid Amin, Riyadh, amin11659@yahoo.com + amin11659@hotmail.com Nuss, I was never a prejudiced person, believing that all people deserve respect and fair and equal treatment. However, after spending a number of years reading articles on this website and the responses to them, I have changed my mind. I am now convinced that half, if not more, of the Arab world is misinformed and deranged. It is true that ignorance is bliss. As long as I was ignorant of the true beliefs and attitudes of so many Arabs, I blissfully felt tied ti them as fellow human beings. No more. It is your own ignorance and stupidity that you foolishly flaunt that makes people think less of you. I am now far less likely to believe anything that comes out of the Arab world, including the claim that Islam is a religion of peace. It's like the Christians behind the Inquisition saying Christianity was the religion of love. Yeah, right. At least Christianity got its act together after 2000 years. I figure you guys have about 600 years to go before you are civilized and worthy to share the earth with the rest of humanity. INVESTIGO###, NUSS, you dum ass! I am an atheist, a non believer. Before you accuse the muslims you possessed IDIOT! Look at the conspiracy (not theory) CONSPIRACY, cause it's no longer a theory, a supposition, a hypothesis, and idea, a concept, it is now a certainty! Yes you freak dumb! It is a certainty! The strong promoters of the conspiracy are first of all Americans, who slowly slowely are waking up and finding out that the official version is leaking from all sides. Go study, the facts of 911.Idiot! j. awad, as an arab and muslim i am ashamed of what is coming out of the arab world with regard to its explanations to jusitfy the killing that is rightfully called terroism. once again we are on the wrong side of history. is it any surprise that the americans ignore what arabs have to say when what we say doesnt make sense. how can we justify suicide bombings, terrorism and centuries of despots and tyrants? the west is advanced because of their belief systems honor democracy and the rule of law while the muslim world honors patriarcal hegemony and ignorance. is it any wonder we are so behind in the arts and sciences? our cities are built with western technology and everything we take for granted was invented by western, especially american ingenuity and yet we declare our superiority! how sad. i hope bush's experiment to bring democracy to iraq and afganistan suceeds and spreads. who knows. in a hundred years maybe we will join the human race and be partners in advancing human pursuits. Jon Myers, I feel myself compelled to repeat the post I made to the previous article. That in itself is a sad commentary. Nonetheless: I think there is one weapon we should all pick up immediately and use against each other with all dispatch. Many of the writers here could benefit by adding it to their arsenal. It is called Occam's Razor. A brief definition of this mighty tool: "Occam's razor is a logical principle attributed to the mediaeval philosopher William of Occam (or Ockham). The principle states that one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed. This principle is often called the principle of parsimony. It underlies all scientific modeling and theory building. It admonishes us to choose from a set of otherwise equivalent models of a given phenomenon the simplest one. In any given model, Occam's razor helps us to "shave off" those concepts, variables or constructs that are not really needed to explain the phenomenon. By doing that, developing the model will become much easier, and there is less chance of introducing inconsistencies, ambiguities and redundancies." (See http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/OCCAMRAZ.html, inter alia.) One can see the benefit that judicious use of this tool could have on a theory holding that: 1) although Bin Laden has claimed credit for 9/11, and 2) it is consistent with his avowed aims, and 3) there is no obvious benefit to the U.S. in destroying its own financial and military centers, yet 4) the Americans themselves committed 9/11. Conspiracy theories have added little to human history beyond quaint and amazing anecdotes of the silly things people once believed. Occam's Razor, on the other hand, has proved itself to be a mighty handy tool. Personally, I am betting on the long-term viability of the party that wields it best. Al-Raz, According to the majority of Arabs as well as New Yorkers (67% in recent Zogby Poll), 9-11 was staged. What does the condescending author of the article say about then? Well either the Americans also share the same mental disease as Arabs or perhaps there is truth to the "conspiracy theories" after all. Also Perhaps the "journalist" should start doing some real journalism (rather than insulting our intelligence) by looking into the fact that atleast 7 of the supposed hijackers are alive and well in the KSA. Shlomo Israel, Right after the 9/11 attacks, the media rushed to judgement and blamed alqaeda for the attacks as if they knew all along that they were responsible for them (or they know who really was responsible for them)...you see, usually when there is a crime in the us, the authorities gather all the evidence they can get, look at the possible ways the crime was committed with the evidence that they have, and make a list of all the suspects from the way the crime was committed...now, thats any crime... now here is probably the biggest crime committed in the US, and what happens? The MEDIA, i repeat, THE MEDIA, blamed al-qaeda right away...not even the CIA or FBI, the media was judge on this one...evidence? what evidence? how the crime was committed? pffft as if we don't really know! suspects? we already got our man, and he's playing with his toenails somewhere in a cave! It was a foregone conclusion who committed the attacks, and it kind of hinted to me that "we already knew who committed it that is why we are SO CONFIDENT that these are the guys"... so whether those accused committed it or not, how did they know that they committed it? Where was the evidence? all the "suspects" were dead, how did they know that they did it without having any live suspects? where is the proof? where did they get all the evidence about every damn minute detail about their lives from? From all the time that they had been watching them possibly? Doesn't this show you that if these were the people who really committed this crime, they were being watched all along by the very people responsible for the investigation? Who rushed to conclude that "yup we got 'em" and "here's all the evidence folks, see we had been watching them allllllll along and knew EVERYTHING, woops, knew nothing, till now of course"... Countless intelligence agencies and authorities in the US gave warnings of an impending attack, which were ignored of course by the poor, innocent, incompetent and most sophisticated intelligence and investigative agencies in the world, duped by a hypnotic cave dweller and his evil henchmen...Who showed us on 9/12 what good boys they are and that they had done their homework and solved the greatest crime in the history of mankind! And while we're at it, Iraq is developing nukes! Ha! Two birds with one stone! Woops, sorry, poor us being incompetent again... If you were wondering about the evidence, don't worry, it was destroyed, all the metal that collapsed from the WTCs were sold as scrap to Asian countries right away, no need to sort through the evidence here, remember, we got 'em and they're dead! Ever heard of black boxes? THEY DIDNT EVEN TRY TO RETRIEVE THEM! so much for an investigation! but of course don't worry, these were destroyed by the very people looking for them... The only "evidence" we had was passports flying out of airplanes and landing right next to the WTC, Qurans found in cars (OH MY GOD there's the proof!), and flight manuals where the supposed hijackers took a crash course about how u can so easily fly a plane with this simple push of a button...if they were so damn good at flying planes, experts i'd say, why on earth would they need some last-minute reminders about flying? It just doesn't add up. You can't be an expert and a beginner at the same time. How can we really solve how and who committed this crime without first trying to understand why there was such a bold coverup of the evidence before the crime was committed and the sudden "emergence" of evidence and discovery of knock-you-out-of-your-chair - Quran in the left hand and flight manual in the right - "evidence" after the crime was committed? Something to think about. Jon Myers, Occam's Razor. Neither Saudi Arabia, home of the suspects, nor any country on earth, including unaligned countries and avowed enemies of America, is now willing to publicly argue that 9/11 was not perpetrated by Al Quaida. That job is left to people who bear no responsibility for their words, and have no need to justify them before anyone who doesn't already agree with them; people who are indeed willing to defend the perpetrator against the very charge that he takes pride in publicly and repeatedly taking credit for. In the U.S., people like this wander about out streets insisting that aliens are infiltrating society to steal our precious bodily fluids. That's possible, I suppose. Perhaps there is a huge conspiracy covering it up. I don't know, but I doubt it. In the Arab world, similar people write emotional stream-of-consciousness screeds to web sites with no editorial filter, asserting as facts what are mere assertions that they cannot trace to any broadly credible source. I suppose what they claim is possible. It’s also possible the moon is made of cheese and all Lithuanians are really androids, and anyone who says otherwise is just part of the cover-up. Still, as of now, the arguments of 9/11 deniers don't support their thesis, however emphatically rendered. If it were as easy for the U.S. to bend reality as they claim, then why do we all now agree that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Oh wait, I know: that was the U.S. plan all along, right? We're intentionally looking stupid to make it easier to conquer the world in the long run. This is just the latest twist in a long-term, well-planned, diabolical plot that precedes 9/11. Hmmm. Sadly, some of you are probably nodding your head in agreement at that obvious sarcasm. Occam's Razor, my friends. It’s a tough tool to get the hang of, but if you really value your dignity and honor, as I know you do, and if you really want to argue effectively, and not just rant, or appear ridiculous, then you must master it. Jon Myers, By the by, Al-Raz incorrectly states (without citing a source) that a Zogby poll found most New Yorkers believe that 9/11 was staged. According to Al-Jazeera (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/94E99630-D69F-4034-9495-0F79320C9B33.htm), the poll (taken during the Republican Convention in Democratic NYC) found that: "Half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York state citizens say some US leaders 'knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around 11 September 2001, and that they consciously failed to act.'" You could interpret this as meaning that many New Yorkers think the event was staged; or merely that many believe that some people in their government are incompetent or corrupt. That is troubling, but anyone who knows much about Americans will not be surprised that you can find a lot of them who are suspicious of government in general, and specifically a lot of New Yorkers who lack faith in a Republican government. It is quite a stretch to claim from this that the "majority" (49.3%) of New Yorkers believe 9/11 was "staged," a very specific word never used in this very ambiguous question. That assertion is simply wrong, and serves as an excellent example of the sort of "facts" on which conspiracy theorists rely. Billie Wolf, Sir, I completely share your observations as to the necessity of recognizing reality free of irrational conspiracy theories. However, in the case of 9/11, it may be a mistake to jump to the conclusion that any consideration that does not conform to the "official" story must reflect a problem with congnitive skills. As an American, I was originally inclined by my shock over the attack, to accept what I was being told by government officials regarding 9/11. It has been, alas, impossible to continue to believe these assertions as solid evidence to the contrary continues to mount and places me in the unfortunate position of having to dispute your analysis. The Bush administration is unelected, utterly corrupt and lies as freely as it breathes. It controls the White House, the Congress, the mainstream media and is closing in on the judiciary. This administration received 52 documented warnings that Al Qaeda was intent upon an attack within the U.S. and it was specifically stated they intended to use planes and fly them into buildings. Either this administration is the most incompetent in history or they allowed the attack to occur. Detailed and documented reports of the activities of high U.S. government officials on the morning of 9/11 indicate foreknowledge of the attack. A CIA Arabic translator named Sybel Edmonds was silenced in her attempts to reveal information about the attack indicating the involvement of the U.S. government. There has been tremendous pressure from the 9/11 families to allow her to speak. Furthermore, the socalled "Project for the New American Century", the neocon blueprint for world domination has been openly available for anyone to read since 1998. Two of it first signers were Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. There are many others who also hold high government positions including Perle and Wolfowitz. The document states the need for another "Pearl Harbor" event as a catalyst for initiating the process of economic world domination through military might. 9/11 was just such an event. The concept was to use the event to whip the frightened American public into a frenzy of nationalism, justifying the imperialist attack upon Iraq under the guise of a "war on terrorism". The American people are, on the whole, unaware of this information. Media and government propaganda have dulled their minds and put them to sleep. This administration rules them through fear and deception. There are indications that at least some of the people are beginning to wake up. Whether their numbers will increase sufficiently to stop the monstrous behavior of this dispicable administration remains to be seen. Best regards, B.W. Your mom, You are a terrible writer and an abysmal journalist. Please, castrate yourself. wright, I can't believe the US gov would give 25-40 Arab militants, planners,hijackers,ect.Not 25 thousand, 250 thousand, credit for the worst attack on american homeland in history! And you proud american haters would deny it ! Now thats amazing. Abubakar Hassan, This is good reading. We still have not seen the real evidence that Osama and his group carried out these attacks. All the evidences show that Osama praised the attackers (I did also and so did many in the world) and other things. The question is if he planned the attacks I think he planned also for the world to know that he did it - why did he deny knowledge of the attcks in the first place. He ought to be proud of this achievement. I think we should ask the US government to prove the evidences they brought to us. I also sent you an e-mail about a site that asked so many questionable events about the 911 attacks that i'll like you to publish so that people should judge for themselves. Abu Hassan, Abuja, Nigeria brian eatme, You people are extremely brainwashed and or stupid to believe in the conspiracy theries of 911 ... that jews and neo-cons are in on this. Or the really stupid one of it was a setup to destroy the 2 buildings for billions of dollars in kickbacks. Your state runned media and your clericks feed you hatered for all things non arab and you bite on it like a little fish on a big hook. Wake up, fight for your freedom, no body owns my mind or my freedom or my views but me. I dont get force fed a bunch of lies and I also am smart enough not to believe everything I see and here in Amaerica. But the theries you have here are just plane dumb. Next it will be Elvis did it after they found evidence that he was alive all ove these years and he and his friend s from the old days conspired to do this. hmmmm, So, some folks still believe the big, bad U.S. government WAS able to fly remote-controlled 757s and secretly plant bombs inside the tallest buildings of its most densely populated city to fake a terrorist attack in order to "wage war on Islam". But they somehow WEREN'T able to plant bogus cannisters of chemical and biological agents in the uninhabited wastelands of Iraq to validate their reasons for invasion. Meanwhile, the space shuttle blows up with an Israeli military pilot on board and no U.S. gov't official thinks to fake evidence of Arab/Muslim sabotage, like all good conspirators who are eagerly scheming to "wage war on Islam" do. And while the evil U.S. gov't has been able to expertly suppress "evidence" of staging 9/11 all these years, they couldn't keep a few damning photos of Abu Ghraib from leaking to the media. Some conspiracy at work here. Go figure. So while all you conspiracy theorists are busy asking yourselves questions about "whatreallyhappened", include questions as to why such masterful U.S. conspirators of 9/11 can simultaneously be the dumbest, most inept conspirators of WMD-less, Abu-Ghraib Iraq (the latter mattering the most image-wise). stop the insanity, Today, London was rocked by several bomb attacks in their subway system, as well as on a double-decker bus. While it is too early to tell with utmost certainty who carried this out, terrorism certainly seems to be the objective. To those who believe in the conspiracy theories of 9/11, are you happy that this occurred, like some of you who were happy that 9/11 occurred? Do you think this was also the work of the Jews? Insert your favorite conspiracy theory here, so the rest of the rational world can look at you and shake their heads in collective disgust. If you are happy that this happened, you cannot possibly believe in a form of higher religion unless you have distorted it to the extreme. I do not wish happiness upon people like you, nor do I wish sadness upon you either. I just hope that you will find a way to look beyond the box that you stand in, and look out to see that people in the Western world just want to be free and exercise their potential as they see fit. Stop exporting bombs and start working on something meaningful. Show us that you truly care about more than just people who look, act, and believe exactly like you do. stop the insanity, Schlomo Israel, I just looked at your comment from a while back. You seem to have a real lack of logical reasoning when it comes to looking at 9/11 and who was responsible. From what I recall when I watched the news on that horrible day, it appeared to me that everyone was speculating...yes, speculating as the media likes to do, of who could carry out this scale of an attack. Yes, there were experts who were interviewed by the media that said only Al Qaeda, led by Bin Laden, could carry out this sort of an attack, based on the coordinated nature of previous attacks. As far as driving the planes go, I don't know what experts you heard, but the experts I heard said that you could learn to fly a small plane and use that knowledge to fly a big plane, as long as you had no intention of actually landing the plane safely. Even the guy who was running the flight school that Mohammed Atta attended said that. You scoff at the flight manuals in their car, inferring that they were planted by investigators. Since they took the flight training course 9 months earlier, and didn't fly a plane since then, why do you think it is odd that they would look this over in the past few days before the attack? And finally, your ridiculous comment that since they are all dead, there is no way to tell who really did it, is the most stupid comment I have heard next to all of Acca Pulco's comments. If that is true, then we can never find out if a suicide bomber of any terrorist organization is responsible for any attack, because he/she died while committing the act! What a stupid observation! They left evidence in their car, on security cameras at the airports, on an ATM machine in Maine, at their apartments in Florida, through telephone calls and e-mails that they transmitted, through telephone calls from people who were on the planes, and the list goes on and on. Jeez! The nerve of some people. Dispassionate Observer, After spending the better part of an hour reading the mulitude of comments on this page (or wading through in some cases) I would have to say that John Myers and his application of Occam's Razor is by far the most elegant reasoning and Dale Johnson's comments about smoking weed the least (Acca Pulco came a close second). This message is to Acca Pulco: verbosity and wisdom are rarely related. lOOBY, This movie shows the Bush administration was intimately involved in the 911 attacks on the trade center complex . • Norad stood down for the first time in their 46 year history due to simulations of exactly what happened • War games were cover for the operational execution of 9/11 • Pilots say no way anyone flew the remote controlled planes into the towers • The fire fighters are on record saying the fires were almost out • People are seen waving in the impact holes is solid proof that there was no 3000 degree fire • Fire fighters commented on how the fall of the Towers looked to have been a planned demolition • No skyscraper has ever fallen from fire in the last 50 years • A 37 story building in Madrid burned for 17 hours and it did not fall • Secondary explosions were heard from many news reporters and officials • Explosions can be seen in footage of the towers as they are brought down • Building seven was a 47 story building which was not hit at all but fell • Silverstein admitted that building 7 was brought down by controlled demolition - this is on the video • The evidence that explosives were used is overwhelming • Silverstein bought the entire World Trade Center Complex 3 months prior to 9 11 • Norad's power for the first time was taken from the General and given to Dick Cheney 3 months before 911 • Silverstein took out a record insurance policy 3 months before 911 • Marvin Bush ran the security for the trade center complex and his contract ran out Sept 11 th • Marvin Bush enacted martial law in Florida Sept 7 th and enforced it Sept 11 th • Top Pentagon officials were warned not to fly Sept 11 th • 100's were warned in advance that the towers were going to fall • An entire floor of one of the Towers received an email four hours prior to the collapse and all were told to leave • Rudolph Giuliani admitted he was warned prior to the collapse of building 7 - this is on record • Condoleezza Rice was warned prior to the attacks • Many many nations warned the Bush administration of coming attack - lots of proof of this on this video • 7 of the supposed highjackers are still alive • German defence minister confirms CIA involvement in 9 11 • All levels of the US govt are coming forward with proof of the Bush Administrations Inv in 9 11 • Russian expert says the US created 9 11 to reshape the world • The list is enormous ! You must get the word out !!! $30.00 CND : http://www.abbaswatchman.com/PAGE%201%20VIDEOS.htm S.Amin, 9 -11 An Indigestible,Stage Show.People need answers not threats & abusive language. Please refer to :- NEW 9-11 FILM NOT WELCOME BY SOME By: Devvy August 15, 2004 NewsWithViews.com Back in May, NWVs ran a news item on aspartame which caused a massive amount of mail to the news editor from individuals making the accusation that the facts presented in that piece were based on junk science by quack doctors. I believe these reactions were from people who immediately felt a great fear that because they probably have been consuming diet soft drinks and other products for decades containing aspartame, they could be the next Michael J. Fox. Because the subject matter is so serious, I felt compelled to do a two part follow up based on facts about both the doctors and the science. The rude e-mail ceased. NWVs recently ran a news item on a new video titled: ? in Plane Site'. There has been a fair amount of mail to NWVs charging this film is nothing but stupid conspiracy theories by people who have never even seen it. Please allow me to provide some additional information not covered in the news item. Besides owning a copy of this film, I also attended the screening of this new video and it was very disturbing. One critic accused the producers of this film as having some sort of agenda to get Kerry elected. Another stated the producers of this film made it up, creating phony film. Mind you, none of these individuals have seen this video, they only read the news item. Some individuals simply shouted in their e-mail that it was all a bunch of "crap" by "right wing wackos." The usual attack the messenger, obfuscate the message. This film is being distributed by Power Hour Productions, specifically Joyce Riley and Dave vonKleist. Both are talk show hosts. Joyce Riley has been one of the pioneers in exposing gulf war syndrome; she was a Captain in the Air Force Reserve. Joyce has fought for the truth and gone far and above the call of duty to help countless veterans throughout this country. She is truly one of those relentless seekers of truth; the research she has provided and still produces is always backed up by government documents. The producers of this video are making a complimentary copy available to anyone who lost a loved one on 9-11. There is no money being made off this project, it's just another important step in sorting out the truth from theories. I receive no compensation for recommending anyone's videos or books. Because I personally know Joyce and her husband, I also know that all they have done over the years has been done with love and caring for our vets and not for money. They live very modestly in Missouri. They aren't making big bucks like GOP mouthpiece Shawn Hannity or Democrat cheer leader, Susan Estridge - both of whom revere their party's agenda over truth. There will always be attacks on individuals who speak out against government corruption and tyranny. If you're not taking flak, you're not touching a vital nerve. Ask me. After 14 years I know how the game is played and having been the recipient of a number of serious death threats, it hasn't been much fun. Of course a plane went into the Pentagon - a big, commercial air liner. Why, everyone saw it! Let me point out something about 9-11, at least from where I was sitting that day. I turned on my TV at 6:05 am that morning. Other than food and rest room breaks, I did not leave my desk for close to 16 straight hours. Every station on Comcast in Sacramento - unprecedented - carried non stop coverage, commercial free on all channels. Not just ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, but FOX, MSNBC, CNBC, TNT, TBS, BBC and all international channels. Unless one was sitting in a television station with 10 or 20 monitors, it would have been impossible to catch every single minute of coverage that day. What we all saw was in "real time." This film uses the media feed that day from FOX News, CNN and other conglomerates. It's the same news coverage we all saw in bits and pieces. What the producers of the film did was digitize all this media feed and drop it to slow and super slow motion. What you see is different when presented that way. Your eyes and your brain are able to see things you don't necessarily see in real time. The endless hours I watched live on my television was during a horrific event, an act of terror so horrible, it was difficult to comprehend everything at the time. I don't know about everyone else, but I just sat and watched as events unfolded, speechless with a box of kleenex. I wasn't looking at the live feeds in slow motion, but "real time." After I saw the media feed from the Pentagon on this new video, it made me ill. My husband, a retired Army Colonel, was stationed there for four years; we both know that massive building. This new video raised a lot of questions, serious questions that most people will have once they see the film. After seeing the slow motion, frame by frame of both planes entering the two World Trade Center towers, it raised a lot of questions, serious questions that most people will have once they see the film. There is analysis on this video from an expert with paragraphs of credentials on the fuel load of Flight 77, how it should have burned and what you see - or rather, didn't see until the smoke clears. Critics who sent NWVs screeching e-mail that this new film is just "right wing crap," without having seen it, demanding that no one question the events of 9-11, I would like to know who gives those folks the right to demand I not ask reasonable questions based on what I can see with my own eyes? I don't tell people how they should think and I highly resent other people insist that their fellow Americans should be damned for asking reasonable questions. In the event some of these critics aren't up to speed, here's a news flash: The family members of those killed on September 11th also have unanswered questions - serious ones - about what happened that day. Should I demand that these families not question the government's accounting of what happened that day? Is this what it's come down to in America? Too many things don't add up. I don't know where the passengers might be and the narrator of this video doesn't either, but the question is hanging out there. Once you see the frame by frame, super slow motion from many camera angeles of those two planes entering the towers, you will wonder and ask the same question. I can tell you that intense efforts are being made to gather more documentation on this issue of the passengers. Because there are no answers, dedicated individuals are making extraordinary efforts to get answers - no matter what the facts bear out in the end. Only the truth is what's important; not who is right, but what is right. My guess is the knee jerk reaction from some people isn't difficult to comprehend: If the official story has big holes in it and concrete proof begins to emerge that things are not what's been sold, Americans will go ballistic over the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. The weapons of mass destruction justification hasn't panned out, so President Bush used toppling the dictator, Saddam Hussein, as justification for invading Iraq. As with the situation in the Balkans, Afghanistan and Iraq are a bloody mess. People are concerned and have questions. Apparently, some Americans are offended by such independent thinking - especially during an election year. There is much more to 9-11 than the average American knows or will even endeavor to find out. They don't want to know the truth if it conflicts with the official government story line or interferes with their preconceived notion of what they need to believe in order to keep their comfort zone and righteous beliefs intact. Sometimes I wonder how civilization ever progressed if every time someone came along with a different idea or belief, the rest of the people would try to silence them because they didn't like what they were hearing or seeing. For those who choose to criticize something they have never seen, that's certainly their right. For those who are afraid to see for their own eyes a visual presentation that will raise questions about that day, that's certainly their right. For those who are interested in looking at what was in "plane sight," just presented in a different technical format, you can order this video by phone (800) 955-0116. As for me, I would like to see answers to the questions raised on this video. Order: 911 In Plane Sight © 2004 Devvy Kidd - All Rights Reserved Sign Up For Free E-Mail Alerts E-Mails are used strictly for NWVs alerts, not for sale Devvy Kidd authored the booklets, Why A Bankrupt America and Blind Loyalty, which sold close to 2,000,000 copies. Has been a guest more than 1600 times on radio shows, ran for Congress twice and is a highly sought after public speaker. Devvy is a contributing writer for www.NewsWithViews.com Devvy's web site is: www.devvy.com; is sponsored by El Dorado Gold; e-mail is: devvyk@earthlink.net stop the insanity, To get more information that basically turns the ramblings of Acca Pulco and S Amin into swiss cheese (or shall I say, their pasting and copying of bogus material on the Internet), please go to http://www.wikipedia.org, choose the English version, type s^/11 conspiracy theories" into the Search box, and hit Enter. A web page will come up with various 9/11 conspiracy theories. At the bottom of the page, there is a section with web links to pages that express skepticism or debunk the conspiracies involved with 9/11. Please read these links because there are very little facts being thrown out there about 9/11 these days. The first one, which is for Popular Mechanics magazine, is one of the better ones as it goes step by step through many of the conspiracies involving 9/11. I know that I could paste and copy information on these links, like our fanatical friends on this forum, but I know that you are capable of finding this material with the instructions provided above. Thank you for your time, and to Acca Pulco and S Amin, please seek medical attention. Demetrious Patanzakis, Acca Pulco has entirely too much free time. Diana Ranger, . To "Ed". who said "If another country were to tell America what weapons theycould or could not have" ... US warships cannot visit New Zealand. The last one to come here in 1983, the "Truxton" was driven from our harbour by a flotilla of yachts, kyaks, launches, row boats,peopled by ordinary citizens. If the U.S tries again, we will appose again - as we appose all military violence. We also send peace-keepers and reconstruction teams to assist after U.S-lead carnage. To SamIam re the "A" bombs in Japan and reading history. Nagasaki was bombed due to cloud over the target Kokura and the bomb made a direct hit on the largest cathedral in Asia, obliterating it and thousands of worshippers. Those who live by the sword, die by the sword but what a wonderful thing the internet is that we can have this world-wide exchange - let's hope it dispels some of the appalling ignorance abounding. There is one planet earth and one Homo sapiens and "countries" are merely the result of stupid men and their animal, territorial wars and then sitting around a desk with bit of paper on it, drawing lines and saying "this is country 'x' now, and this is country 'y' etc". Goodnes me -can mankind ever grow up? Di. Stinger, Let me pose this question: if 9/11 was indeed an elaborate plot by the CIA and/or Mossad, why then are Bin Laden & his cronies so keen to take credit for it? It seems to me that every chance they get, they talk about how glorious and wonderful an attack it was. But if Al Queda wasn't behind it, shouldn't they be denying their involvement rather than celebrating it? Or is Bin Laden on the CIA's payroll? Wake up. There's NO evidence that anyone other than Al Queda was behind the attacks. There's also no evidence that the planes were carying misiles or bombs or anything. Explosives leave traces that are easily identifiable, and no traces of explosives were found at any of the sites. Furthermore, no sane government would willingly inflict so much damage onto itself just to start a war on the Muslim world. 9/11 cost the US economy trillions of dollars - it's like burning down your house just so you can get in a fight with your neighbor. Face the facts: 9/11 wasn't an Israeli plot. It wasn't faked. Why anyone would rejoyce in the deaths of 2,995 innocent people and still have the gall to think of themselves a follower of God is beyond all comprehension. It wasn't a victory, and it wasn't noble. It was a coward's attack carried out and planned by equally cowardly men. Shahid Amin, Arab News ? (Continuation-Discussion.) (Shahid Amin) Its Pakistan and Pakistani mullahs & madrassas that made the US the sole world power, against the USSR, which the US,UK couldn't achieve in years. All the terrorists are US trained and sponsored. Read this NEWS ( ARY-ONE TV 02-Oct;2005. 10.00 pm) Ex-British Minister Michael Major has stated : (Daniel Pearl- US spy, working as journalist in Pakistan) Omar Sheikh, involved in the murder D. Pearl was working for the MI-6 and was a double agent.(He was sentenced to death by a Pakistani court, he has appealed to a higher court against his death sentence)The US &British intelligence agencies are trying to stop his death sentence. If he is sentenced to death he will expose a lot of sensitive information. ( The poster-background, Muslim slogans, chopping head off the victim, was arranged by A MI-6 agent. The poor boy Daniel Pearl got slaughtered by his own intelligence agency, through their double agent working for and recruited by MI-6. All the following Head chopping incidents were an exact copy of that event, done & arranged for MUSLIM BASHING, to justify US ,UK , Israeli (& poor allies') crimes against humanity ,extension of colonialism into the twenty first century. Just imagine the height of civilization-HYPOCRACY,RUTHLESSNESS) NEXT: He said that MI-6 recruited 200 Muslim for Jihad Activities during the Kosovo crisis. NEXT: He said that the 9-11 boys had links with the US & British Agencies. Another News: Haroon Rasheed, The Zambian Muslim arrested for involvement in LONDON BOMBINGS while in the US was arrested by the US govt on the request of SOUTH AFRICAN GOVT, for being involved in terrorist activities. He was released the next day on the request of the British Govt. as he worked for the British Govt. A British Intelligence Agent on getting dual New Zealand citizenship wanted to appear open in the press to state how UK MI arranged the Bosnia Crisis. On the intervention of the UK govt he was told by the NZL govt to keep shut or he will be deported to UK. Things are not what they appear on the surface. US, UK, Israel should not KEEP REPEATING the mistakes done by the USSR, Hitler & the like, now, when they have left USSR, Hitler.. far, far, far, far, far behind in atrocities. They should consider a respectable exit strategy or retirement plan from this hegemony, ruthlessness, neo colonialism, barbarianism and what not, if not, HISTORY THROUGH THEIR OWN MISTAKES WILL MAKE A BAD / SHAMEFULL EXAMPLE OF THEM,THROUGH THEIR OWN,VERY OWN,PURELY OWN MISTAKES without THE INVOLVEMENT OF USSR,CHINA OR THE MUSLIMS, The Muslim which they treat as an imaginary threat. They should stop staging shows & dramas to inflict brutality on Muslims or any other poor victims. No body hates American ,British, Israeli people but they hate the brutality, Inhumane policies, neo-colonialism of the US, UK, Israeli governments. The US.UK public has a responsibility to wake up to these atrocities, stop them rather than enjoying the sweet but sour fruits of colonialism, brutality, elitism, which will keep them and their generations to come on the sharp edge of the INTEREST-CAPITALISM the blood sucking system which generates more poor (social casualties)- an endless debt system which translates itself desperately into wars, hegemony, greed, poverty to the extreme limits for the height of delight of the few. We should learn from history. The fate of Hitler, USSR... we have forgotten. We should teach, preach or promote tolerance and respect, not wars, colonialism, hatred and intolerance. Terrorism is being sponsored and used as tool to justify Colonialism, win elections-public opinions, stage wars, justify occupation, justify brutality and genocide, sponsor and impose unpopular, puppet rulers in third world countries to reinforce Neo- Colonialism into the 21 st century. GOD IS WATCHING & HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF, ITS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME - ITS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME,THAT HUMANITY WILL LOOK BACK INTO HISTORY ( SOME TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE) AND PUT THE USSR & THE HITLER AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST. Dr. S .Amin (amin@iafrica.com) Bert Finchdene, My dear Muslim friends, Please wake up. Your hatred is ruining you. Stop blaming the world. Look at yourself in the mirror. Do really think that getting rid of the Jews will solve your problems? Do you really expect anything to change if Israel was exterminated? Do you really believe that everything is a Jewish conspiracy? Was the 11 year Iraq Iran war where a million people died for no reason a Jewish conspiracy? Was the extermination of tens of thousands of Curds in northern Iraq a Jewish conspiracy? Was the 9 year Lebanese Christian-Muslim Civil War with thousands dead a Jewish conspiracy? Was the Taliban regime in Afghanistan, which deprived women of any human rights and turned them into a commodity less valuable then livestock a Jewish conspiracy? Is the gang rape and murder of Muslim women to “save the family honour” a Jewish conspiracy? Was the destruction of centuries-old Hindu temples in Afghanistan a Jewish conspiracy? Was the Iraqi invasion to Kuwait a Jewish conspiracy? Is Muslim terrorism in India a Jewish conspiracy? Is Muslim terrorism in Pakistan a Jewish conspiracy? Is Muslim terrorism in Bali a Jewish conspiracy? Is Muslim terrorism in Indonesia a Jewish conspiracy? Is Muslim terrorism in Macedonia a Jewish conspiracy? Is Muslim terrorism in Algeria a Jewish conspiracy? Is Muslim terrorism in Chechnya a Jewish conspiracy? Is Muslim terrorism in Russia a Jewish conspiracy? Is Muslim terrorism in the Philippines a Jewish conspiracy? Is Muslim terrorism in Egypt a Jewish conspiracy? Is Muslim terrorism in Saudi Arabia a Jewish conspiracy? Is Muslim terrorism in Yemen a Jewish conspiracy? Wake up and get out of your bed of hatred. Look inside, it is up to you. The Germans rose from the destruction of their country in WWII. In less than quarter of a century completely rebuilt and recovered. The Japanese were left with nothing but ashes after the war. They got up, rolled their sleeves and started rebuilding. Today they are the leading technological power in the world. The Koreans rose from rice growing peasants to the world’s fastest growing economy with leading high tech and heavy industries. Practically every eastern block country had to start rebuilding from scratch after the fall of communism. Did they blame the Jews? No they concentrated on infrastructure, housing, education and industry. Yes they are still struggling but at least they are not sitting, pointing fingers and feeling sorry for them selves. Most Arab countries have more natural recourses and more people than any of the above mentioned. But yet their people are poor and uneducated. What do you do besides blaming the world? What do teach your children besides hate? Where do you think this hate is it taking you? Is it going to educate you children? is it going to give your people any prosperity? The Jews were bruised and battered over four millennia; they were driven out of their country more than once well before Mohammad was born and even before Jesus was born. They have suffered humiliations and poverty, they were banned from society and ownership of any asset for centuries and will probably continue suffering the most ghastly and ungodly persecutions and indignities as they have suffered through out their history. They may even be driven out of their country yet again in the future. But that my Muslim friends will not heal your backwards societies, it will not stop Muslim Terrorism and it will not make you smarter, it will not win you prosperity or any Nobel prises that are being held from you today. So please my Muslim Friends, Please wake up, Israel is hardly the size of a pinhead; it is smaller most countries. And its population is less then one percent of the Muslim population. What would the destruction of this country really change? These 20 countries are all officially Muslim: Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Libya, Sudan, Algeria, Tunisia, morocco, turkey, Indonesia, Kuwait, UAE, The Maldives, Oman, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain. This is not counting the former USSR republics, many of which are predominantly Muslim. Israel is the one and only Jewish country. These 20 countries alone have the combined area of 34,234,262 Km^2. Israel has 0.06% of that area at 20,770 Km^2. that’s six one hundredths of one percent. The population of these 20 countries combined, not counting millions upon hundreds of millions of Muslims in other countries is 686million. Israel has 0.9% of that with a population of 6 million (20% of which are Muslims) Please, wake up. How can a nation, an infinitesimal fraction of your size be of any significance or hindrance? Face it, neither Israel nor the Jews are your problem. Your problem is your internal hate. Wake up and look at this beautiful world, stop blaming, stop hating, stop sending your children to die in hatred. The answer is in you. The world largest oil reserves and abundance of natural recourses are in Muslim hands. But the people of these countries are poor and ignorant. Israel has none, nothing, hardly even water and the Israelis are one of the most prosperous and well educated people in the world with major achievements in science, medicine, agriculture, and technology. The Israelis are not the only people with major achievements; in fact almost every country in the world has some outstanding scientific and technological advancements. Except for the Muslims. It is because all of us don’t hate, we don’t blame, we don’t point fingers and we are not consumed with conspiracy theories. YOU ARE. You can do it, your people are not inherently stupid, they are simply consumed with hate, hate that cripples, hate that impedes. But first you need to wake up and open your eyes, open your eyes, look at yourself and only at yourself. With sincere wishes for good life, health and prosperity A neutral by-stander S.Amin, Aggressors are always right: Why run away from answering the questions asked? Why forget FACTORIES OF TERRORISM - PALESTINE,KASHMIR,CHECHNYA.. AND CLOSING THEM BY DOING JUSTICE NOT BRUTALITY WHICH IN TURN GENERATES BRUTALITY, WHICH GOES ON AND ON.WHY NOT LOOK AT THE DISEASE AND NOT ONLY ON THE SYMPTOMS.EVERY RELIGION HAS ENOUGH EXAMPLES TO LABEL ITS PEOPLE AS TERRORISTS. ALL RESOURCEFUL COUNTRIES HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY TO MAKE THIS WORLD PEACEFUL, BUT THEY CHOOSE TO KEEP IT A BATLEFIELD.HOW CAN WE EXPECT POWERLESS PEOPLE OF POWERLESS COUNTRIES, MADE POWERLESS,BY BRRUTAL ( meaning= CIVILISED)countries to bring the change and the powerful, able counties as powerless,unable to behave constructively.We should base our opinions,perceptions.. on reality on the ground and not on CNN,BBC disinformation cells-LETS LOOK AROUND WHATS GOING ON IN THE WORLD, AND NOT DEVISE CAT AND MOUSE STORIES NEITHER BELEIVE THEM FOR CONVENIENCE, NOR RELY ON THEM FOR SOOTHING THE GUILT AND ACHES OF anybody's SOUL.Talk of solutions to the present crisis to bring peace to this world, and not of the failed colonial policies that are bringing all the suffering to this world.Use imagination, go into the future,every regime colonialism ( old world disorder)=zionism= capitalism ( The renewed world dosorder),socialism,communism has an expiry date,or time limit in history,when it happens, history won't use your/ my words or language for self glorification,it will speak the truth,and,we may not be there to divert the opnions.God will welcome the self righteous and all terrorists from all religions, for all their support of suppression, colonialism, brutality,modern warfare,reward them,AND PUNISH ALL THE VICTIMS OF SUPRESSION, COLONIALISM,POVERTY,MODERN WARFARE,BRUTALITY FOR NOT DOING ENOUGH, TO ACCEPT MORE BRUTALITY,SUPPRESSION,POVERTY... LET'S USE OUR IMAGINATION AND... JUST IMAGINE...! (amin@iafrica.com) Jon Myers, So "Dr." Amin is diminished now to mere babbling, and in all-caps nonetheless, as if to emphasize the frustration and powerlessness he feels. I pity him, as I do a moth on the last warm day before winter. I understand how one might hate the US and wish it ill. But I am still at a loss understanding how someone can believe that the US deserves punishment, can advocate that punishment, can admire those who want to administer that punishment, can admire those who have indeed claimed to have applied that punishment; and yet can still claim that the self-confessed criminal could not possibly have committed the crime, and that the victim is in fact the perpetrator of a crime against himself. I would not like to hear "Dr." Amin's explanation of rape. It would probably confuse and disgust me in the same measure. I am heartened, however, to see that his best arguments rest on a foundation of illogic and moral cowardice that is not just hypocritical, as I first supposed, but in fact actually self-deluded. Such an enemy might hurt you, but they cannot finally succeed at anything. Imagine a mad man who has somehow grabbed a knife, thrashing about wildly. Some people will get cut, but his bizarre visions will still never be realized. So good night, "Dr" Amin. May God grant you peace, in heaven if not on earth. S.Amin, Dear Mr. J. Myers, This is a forum for comments by the readers regarding 9-11.Though readers / writers have gone beyond 9-11, to explain their reasons for 9-11, including myself.I am writing my comments, my views on 9-11.You have not answered many of the US Govt's 2+2=5 versions regarding 9-11, where your Occam's Razor better fits.You have'nt answered many of the questions raised by many of the writers.You only target individual writers. This is intolerance of other people's views.You can disagree,as I also do, with other writer's opinions and respond with your logic,references,opinion but atleast don't be intolerant for others,expecting them not to express their opinions and only to polarise and submit to the CNN,FOX,BBC style one sided view of international events.Infact I 've gone through your suggested website,the Occam's Razor fits on your version as much it fits on any other writer's views. If you want to soothe yourself into yours only view of the world,you can enjoy yourself very much on CNN,FOX,BBC forums. This forum of ARABNEWS freely allows opinions from accross the spectrum.This forum is an example of freedom of opinion and is generations ahead of CNN,FOX,BBC. I not babling,neither am I hopeless, I've to do a lot of reading for my subject related material.I still spend some time, on news / views and general reading,but still am no less aware of whats going around.How did you happen to believe that you are the only knowledgeable person and the rest of the writers know nothing? Further I don't support any of the terrorists.What they do is,against Islam. They believe in some ZIOCON form of ISLAM, which wants to delibrately create hatred against Muslims and Islam, to justify the US,UK and the big boss Israel's aggression, brutality,wars,hagemony,The new world disorder.They were trained by the US,to fight against the USSR,in all the techniques they are using now.There are Professional criminals hired for political use. What they do is to harm and create hatred against the Muslims / Islam.They do nothing to the advantage of the Muslims.They help Bush win his elections,Blair win his elections,Burlsconi,Howard,Husni Mubarak,and the like win their elections or score political goals,through a very very timely terrorist act and an E mail or a video,this story has repeated itself so many times that it looks a funny attempt now,They should ask Hollywood to give them new stories. Their acceptance of crimes on the website is another JOKE for the sensible, they can be traced in no time if its their websites and E- mails and US/UK/Israelis are not collaborating with them.All the E mails are timed for the US/UK/Israeli's advantage on time every time.No body is that foolish. Osama is not hiding,rather enjoying an outdoor,free life in high security,US camp / guest house in Kandhar region.Contact a Pakistani Magazine-TAQBEER (or TAKBIR)and request for their article on Osama Bin Ladin's travelling in Afghanistan,even coming across US field unit, which did not intercept him,and he moved on with his contingent,after which many lured Jihadis recognised his double role. There are so many issues that its beyond the scope of this forum and available time. I do not hate any body as people, for their religion, color,race, nationality,political views.But I do not support groups of people or govts that brutalise,colonialise,murder, create wars, for their political,military,financial aims.May it be any govt or group of people. I feel very sad when people like yourself whom God has given enough sense,support wars,colonialisation,brutalisation... You only oppose the DIRECT TERRORISTS-THE B-TEAM OF MURDERORS but fully SUPPORT THE INDIRECT TERRORISTS,THE A-TEAM OF MURDERORS. I OPPOSE BOTH TYPE OF TERRORISTS,FROM WHICHEVER RELIGION,RACE,COLOR,NATION THEY BELONG TO.( Dr. S. Amin : amin@iafrica.com) hamid, watch videos and the truth behind 9/11 attacks on www.hugequestions.com Many who blames muslims and a few so calles terrorists will soon change their minds. Bob, The explanation of the WTC collapse due to the impact from the fire seems pretty logical to me, including the fact of how methodical it was. Indeed, once one story collapsed after the steel columns supporting its floor weakened from the fire, the rest of the stories just followed: structurally intact lower floors would not be able to withold a strong dynamic impact of the upper floors coming down. It was so much stronger than the static load they were designed for. But ignorance is a bliss. And why would those ignorant people go shopping for conspiracy theories? How come the people who believe in conspiracy theories can ignore the obvious facts? I guess their desire to see things "their way" is just stronger than logic. One example. All those conspiracy theorists (who talk about controlled demolition) point out - as a proof of human intervention - to the fact that the South Tower collapsed first although it had a smaller impact. However, these people totally ignore the fact that this impact was not just smaller, it was also very assymmetric. If highly assymmetrical portions of the structure give up, the structure will start falling apart - assymmetrically (see the video of the South tower collapse) - at an earlier time than the same structure would after the same (or even stronger) symmetrical impact. Just try to put a plywood onto a bunch of pipes and start removing those pipes. Do it twice - remove pipes symmetrically one time and assymmetrically the other... For the lower, structurally intact floors, however, the fall of the upper floor would feel just like a big dynamic impact, bringing the whole construction down. That's why you can see the top of the South tower drops fist, assymmetrically, but the rest of the building implodes quite symmetrically. But I can hear the conspiracy theorists' countering: surely, those who controlled the demolitions had the means to demolish the buildings in any fashion they wanted - starting with upper floors and going down - whether symmetrically or not. (Those powerful Zionists, that is:) In that connection, I recall a joke about an Israelite who said he only read Arabic press. Why? Because, Israeli press showed jews as weak, conflicting bunch under American dictate. While Arabic press showed them as "rulers of the world". Oh, well... Sverre, Norway, I'm really happy I came across this site. I now know some more on the arab mind, and can't say it's favorable. I have made the observation that liers always think other people lie, and I cant rid myself of the notion that Arabs conspire a lot since they are always blaming others for it. What I don't get is that sane Arabs who don't see the writing on the wall saying western society can only tolerate so much before it really retaliates. Once the average european and american starts to think arabs and Islam is a big problem, and not solveable with diplomacy, we will have war. The difference from Iraq is that this time it will be against ISLAM and no mosque will be left standing. More and more people in Europe thinks ISLAM = NAZISM, and I can't blame them. Michael D. Adams, Dear GI Joe, If you are a US Military Operative it's no wonder the 9/11 attacks were successful and the U.S. is losing in Iraq. A semantic analysis of your syntax says you are a well practiced Ditto Head and little more. The author of the Article is also obviously flying a false flag and is propably paid by the pentagon. Ever So Sincerely, Michael D. Adams Atlanta S Amin, S Amin, Writers & readers-Please refer to this aricle and wake up Subject: CIA Funding Terrorists Date: 5 Dec 2005 03:54:57 -0000 >How our governments use terrorism to control us >By Tim Howells >Online Journal Contributing Writer > >http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_277.shtml >Nov 28, 2005, 13:55 >The sponsorship of terrorism by western governments, targeting their own populations, has been a taboo subject. Although major scandals have received cursory coverage in the media, the subject has been allowed to immediately disappear without discussion or investigation. Therefore the appearance this year of two major studies of this subject is a welcome breakthrough, and provides essential reading for anyone struggling to understand the events of September 11, 2001 and the post September 11 world. > >The studies are complementary. NATO's Secret Armies, Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe by Daniele Ganser concerns terrorism sponsored by American and British intelligence in Western Europe and Turkey between the end of World War II and 1985. The War on Truth, 9/11, Disinformation, and the Anatomy of Terrorism by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed chronicles the cultivation and sponsorship of militant Islamic terrorism by the intelligence services of the United States, Britain and Russia from 1979 to the present. Both studies are models of scholarship -- meticulously documented and carefully reasoned -- but the world they reveal will boggle the mind of the most wild-eyed conspiracy theorist. > >Creating "Communist" Terrorism to Fuel the Cold War > >NATO's Secret Armies describes how following World War II the US and Britain, fearing a Soviet invasion of Europe, established "stay-behind" paramilitary units throughout Western Europe and in Turkey. Had the anticipated Soviet invasion occurred these units would have constituted ready made resistance groups, trained and armed, with secure communications with each other and with their allies in Britain and the US. In some counties, for example Norway and Sweden, these stay-behind units were true to their original charters, remaining inactive until they disbanded at the end of the Cold War. In other countries, however, the paramilitary units were activated by their handlers in the United States as part of a hellish "Strategy of Tension" designed to convince left-leaning populations in Italy, Germany, Belgium, Greece, Turkey and other countries that their very lives were at risk from communist terrorists. The arms and bombs originally intended for the Soviets were turned instead on their own compatriots with the aim of placing the blame for the waves of terrorist attacks on communists. > >In Italy the stay-behind operation was referred to as Gladio (Latin for "Sword"). The Piazza Fontana bombings that killed 16 and wounded 80 shortly before Christmas in 1969 initiated a wave of terrorist bombings in Italy by Gladio operatives that continued throughout the 1970s. The worst single bombing occurred in the Bologna train station in 1980, killing 85 and wounding 200. Another Gladio bombing in Brescia in 1974 killed eight and wounded 102, and the same year a train was bombed in Rome, killing 12 and wounding 48. The case that led to the discovery of the Gladio plots by the Italian courts was a 1972 bombing that killed three policemen. > >The Gladio operations in Italy are relatively well known and well understood because of several high level judicial investigations that received coverage in the European press and have been the subject of a few books. One contribution of Ganser's book is to bring this material together in a concise and well organised format. Further, Ganser extends his study beyond Italy to examine the effects of stay-behind operations throughout Western Europe and in Turkey. > >I was quite surprised to learn that by far the most extensive and destructive stay-behind operations were those carried out in Turkey under the code name Counter-Guerrilla. Among other crimes, a long series of bombings, random killings and assassinations, covertly perpetrated by CIA-controlled Counter-Guerrilla operatives in the late 1970s, were used as a pretext for the military coup in 1980 that led to the installation of a pro-American and pro-Israeli government there. I was also shocked to learn that stay-behind operatives were responsible for a series of horrific terrorist attacks in Belgium as late in the Cold War as 1985, although this is still the subject of unconvincing official denials. > >One limitation of Ganser's study, which he frequently laments, is the unavailability of official documentation because all materials relating to the stay-behind operations remain highly classified. All Freedom of Information Act requests to date have been denied by American authorities. One might have hoped that at least with the end of the Cold War such atrocious strategies would be renounced, and that the implicated governments would make every effort to come clean and ensure that this history would not be repeated. Unfortunately, as The War on Truth by Nafeez Ahmed makes clear, the Strategy of Tension has proved to be so useful a tool both in terms of global and domestic politics that, far from being abandoned, these despicable operations have become increasingly accepted and commonplace. > >Creating "Islamic" Terrorism for the Post-Cold War Era > >Ahmed's study centres on the attacks of September 11, 2001, but the story begins in Afghanistan prior to the Soviet invasion in 1979. Zbigniew Brzezinski, national security advisor to President Jimmy Carter at the time, has described in an interview how, even prior to the invasion, the US had taken steps to fund the Mujahedeen warlords and to inflame militant Islam in the region. The aim was to destabilise the region and to force the Soviets to invade -- to draw them into their own Vietnam-style quagmire. > >According to Brzezinski, "We did not push the Russians into invading, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would. That secret operation was an excellent idea. The effect was to draw the Russians into the Afghan trap." > >After the Soviets' inglorious retreat from Afghanistan, and even more so after the collapse of the Soviet Union several years later, the policy of inflaming and exploiting militant Islam was credited by many in the US national security establishment for these historic developments. Ahmed has compiled irrefutable evidence that the United States did not abandon the militant Islamists after the end of the Cold War. In fact, American leadership at the very highest levels has continued to covertly protect, assist and guide militant Islam in general and al-Qaeda in particular in geopolitically important areas around the world, including Central Asia, North Africa, the Balkans, and the Philippines. > >It is impossible to do justice to Ahmed's densely packed 390-page presentation here, but I will give some representative examples. > >Sergeant Ali Mohamed Joins al-Qaeda > >Ali Mohamed, an Egyptian intelligence officer, was fired in 1984 because of his religious extremism. In spite of this and in spite of the fact that his name was on the State Department's terrorist watch list, he was granted a visa to enter the US and became a US citizen. By 1986 he was a sergeant in the US Army and an instructor at the elite Special Warfare School at Fort Bragg. While in this position Mohamed travelled to Afghanistan to meet with bin Laden, and he assisted with the training of al-Qaeda operatives both in Afghanistan and in the US. His immediate supervisors at Fort Bragg were duly alarmed by these illegal activities, and reported them up the chain of command. When their reports failed to produce any action, not even an official debriefing of Mohamed upon his return from Afghanistan, at least one of his supervisors, Lt. Col. Robert Anderson, concluded that Mohamed had been acting as part of an operation sanctioned by an American intelligence agency, "probably the CIA." > >Mohamed's activities in support of al-Qaeda throughout the 1990s were of the highest significance to that organisation. In 1991, he handled security for bin Laden's move from Saudi Arabia to the Sudan. In 1993, Mohamed accompanied bin Laden's second in command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, on a fund raising tour of the United States, again handling security arrangements. The funds raised helped support Zawahiri in a Pentagon supported mission in the Balkans, which will be discussed in the next section. > >The al-Qaeda members trained by Mohamed in the United States included several who were later convicted in connection with the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Top secret US Army training manuals supplied by Mohamed to the defendants were produced as evidence at their trial. > >Mohamed himself did the initial surveillance for the al-Qaeda bombings of the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. At the time Mohamed was on active reserve with the Special Forces and was a paid FBI informant. Mohamed was at long last charged with crimes in connection with the 1998 embassy bombings. In October 2000, he was convicted of five counts of conspiracy to murder nationals of the United States. However, the nature of Mohamed's plea agreement, the sentence handed down, if any, and Mohamed's present whereabouts remain secret. > >The Pentagon Brings al-Qaeda to the Balkans > >The US national security establishment did not miss a beat in seeking to replicate the triumph in Afghanistan in other geopolitically critical areas. The Soviet puppet regime fell in Afghanistan in February 1992. That same year, the Pentagon started importing Afghan jihadists organised by bin Laden into Bosnia to wreak chaos and fuel the civil wars between Muslims and Serbs that devastated the former Yugoslavia in the following years. Bin Laden's second in command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, served as commander of the Mujahedeen forces in the Balkans. > >The role of the Pentagon in airlifting the Mujahedeen terrorists into Bosnia and Kosovo between 1992 to 1995 has been well documented and widely reported in the European and Canadian media, but almost completely ignored in the United States. However, the geopolitical advantages of breaking the former sovereign nation of Yugoslavia into a patchwork of NATO protectorates, under the firm control of the United States, did not go unnoted. New Republic editors Jacob Heilbrunn and Michael Lind celebrated the event in a New York Times article titled "The Third American Empire" published on January 2, 1996: > >"Instead of seeing Bosnia as the eastern frontier of NATO, we should view the Balkans as the western frontier of America's rapidly expanding sphere of influence in the Middle East . . . The regions once ruled by the Ottoman Turks show signs of becoming the heart of a third American empire . . . The main purpose of NATO countries, for the foreseeable future, will be to serve as staging areas for American wars in the Balkans, the Mediterranean and the Persian Gulf." > >The CIA Brings al-Qaeda to the Philippines > >In 1991, with the Afghan War winding down, the Abu Sayyaf terrorist group was formed in the Philippines around a core of radical Afghan veterans. They conducted their first kidnapping operation in 1992, and were responsible for a series of bombings and kidnappings throughout the 1990s that were highly destabilising for the Philippine government. Several high level al-Qaeda operatives, including Ramzi Yousef and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed were involved. Funding was provided by one of bin Laden's brothers in law, Mohammed Jamal Khalifa, an important figure in the funding of al-Qaeda operations worldwide. > >Ahmed cites many authoritative sources, including Philippine intelligence officer Rene Jarque, Lt. Col. Ricardo Morales, and Senator Aquilino Q. Pimentel, to show that the Abu-Sayyaf group has received special assistance and protection both from the Philippine military and from the United States. Pimentel in a speech before the Philippine Senate in July of 2000 accused the CIA of creating the terrorist organisation with the help of their contacts in the Philippine military and intelligence communities. > >Two incidents in particular have exposed the connivance of the United States in the Abu Sayyaf reign of terror beyond a reasonable doubt. In December of 1994, Khalifa was arrested during a visit to San Francisco on immigration violations. The FBI was aware of his ties to the Abu Sayyaf group and to al-Qaeda, and began a criminal investigation. Khalifa's lawyers tried to stall the investigation and manoeuvre for extradition to Jordan. Incredibly, help came to Khalifa from on high. Secretary of State Warren Christopher personally wrote a three-page letter to Attorney General Janet Reno asking that the request for extradition be granted. Accordingly, the FBI investigation was cancelled and Khalifa was sent to Jordan per his own request, where he was soon a free man. > >The second incident is even more extraordinary and revealing. Michael Meiring, an American citizen, arrived in the Philippines in 1992 and promptly formed close working relationships both with high government officials and with rebel leaders in the Abu Sayyaf group. In 2002, in the midst of a wave of Abu Sayyaf bombings, Meiring accidentally detonated a bomb in his own hotel room in Mindao causing grave injury to himself, requiring emergency hospitalisation. US authorities immediately intervened. FBI agents and "agents of the National Security Council" swept him away from his hospital room, first to a hospital in Manila where Meiring was kept incommunicado and was treated by a doctor hand-picked by the US embassy. Then Meiring was rushed back to the United States. Like Ali Mohamed, his fate and current whereabouts are unknown. Numerous attempts to have him extradited back to the Philippines for prosecution have been stonewalled by US authorities. > >The motivations for American support of terrorism in the Philippines are not hard to guess. In 1991, the same year that Abu Sayyaf was formed, the Philippines Senate had voted to close all US military bases in their country, an action with profound implications for the military posture of the United States in South Asia. In 2002, due to the destabilising effects of the Abu Sayyaf operations, the US military were invited back into the country to participate in operation Balikatan ("shoulder to shoulder"), a joint US/Philippine military exercise purportedly aimed at eliminating terrorism. These operations required special exemptions from the Philippine Constitution, which forbids foreign armies from operating on Philippine soil. Once again, al-Qaeda, with the help of their American friends, had acted to advance the geostrategic interests of the United States. > >The Grand Design > >The above examples are by no means isolated anomalies. The bulk of Ahmed's fine book is devoted to recording a pattern of evidence that is finally overwhelming. As he says in conclusion, "not only does the strategy employed in the new 'War on Terror' seem to provoke terrorism, but an integral dimension of the strategy is the protection of key actors culpable in the financial, logistical, and military-intelligence support of international terrorism." > >And Then There Is September 11 Itself . . . > >But what about the September 11 attacks themselves? Were they "blowback," i.e., unintended domestic consequences of foreign covert operations, or were they an integral part of the Strategy of Tension? Based in part on an analysis of intelligence warnings of the attacks, and on the absence of any air defence response, Ahmed strongly endorses the latter view. He reviews the dozens of very specific foreign and domestic intelligence warnings of terrorist attacks in the United States using airliners that came in the months leading up to the attacks. These in turn led to warnings issued by American intelligence to Pentagon officials, and to others, including author Salman Rushdie and San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown, to cancel all flight plans on the day of September 11, 2001. Meanwhile, no action whatsoever was taken to warn or to protect the American public. > >Ahmed points out that the responsible authorities at the Pentagon and the Federal Aviation Administration have produced several profoundly contradictory accounts of their own actions on that day -- each subsequent story seemingly an attempt to remedy the shortcomings of a previous one. And still no remotely satisfactory account of the failure to intercept even one of the four hijacked airliners has been produced. Under ordinary circumstances, interception of wayward aircraft by military fighters would have been absolutely routine; such interceptions occurred at least 56 times in the calendar year prior to September 11, 2001. Ahmed points out that the attacks were allowed to proceed "entirely unhindered for over one and one half hours in the most restricted airspace in the world." He finds the idea that this was due to negligence beyond belief. Instead he argues that there must have been a deliberate stand-down of the air defence system managed by senior national security officials including the vice president and the secretary of defense. > >The Future of the Strategy of Tension > >The books reviewed herein document a continuous history over the last 40 years of the United States and other governments fostering and manipulating terrorism for their own ends. Terrorist organisations have been used to destabilise inconvenient regimes around the world, and to sow chaos, which can then serve as a pretext for military intervention. > >Even more importantly, terrorism is used to create a crisis atmosphere at home under cover of which the crimes and corruption of government officials go unpunished, civil liberties are easily abandoned, and major wars can be launched under false pretences. Although at present there appears to be no reason for the terror-masters in Washington to consider changing their tactics, the publication this year of these two illuminating books raises the hope that the Strategy of Tension, which can only thrive in darkness and confusion, will ultimately have to be abandoned. > > > ># # # # # > >Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed, The War on Truth, 9/11, Disinformation, and the Anatomy of Terrorism, Olive Branch Press, An imprint of Interlink Publishing, 2005, Northampton, MA > >Daniele Ganser, NATO's Secret Armies, Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe, Frank Cass, 2005, London and New York. (amin@iafrica.com ) GayKacken Offenyam, Usama is alive and well He is the Night Manager at the 7-11 in Passiac NJ and the stupid Americans still think he's in Pakistan Somewhere HEH HEH SAVE THE PLANKTON KILL A WHALE John, The United Stated of Corruption is only part of a vast and intricate web of manipulation. If you can't see for yourself by now that the U.S. is leading a manufactured war on terrorism and somethings just don't add up, I feel sorry for you. Tell me again how we ended back up in Iraq when it was supposed to be Osama Bin Ladin and Al-Qaida that carried out the attacks on U.S. soil? Why is it we only hear about Osama a fraction of the time and he's used as an ace in the governments sleeve when they need him? Why is it that most people don't know that he was (is) a known CIA operative who's Mujahedin faction was supplied arms by the CIA to fight the Soviet invasion of Afghanastan? The U.S. has more a lot more power and capabilities than some guy (supposedly) living in a cave. It's well known that the Bush family has ties to the Bin Ladins and the Saudi Royal Family (all about the oil, baby), just ask Salem Bin Ladin.. oh wait you can't he died in a (supposed) plane crash. And can anyone tell me why we ended up back in Iraq? We vehemently said that Saddam had WMD's, yet it was proven that Saddam has been pretty much disarmed and was non-threatening pre - 9/11. By the way, weapons were found in Iraq, the ones that we supplied them with during their war with Iran, a war that went over most peoples heads... I'd say this about sums it up.... "Do not believe anyone who questions or doubts the government or major media. Politicians and owners of mainstream magazines, TV stations, etc. are perfect & are free from greed, self interest, and we should do as they say without hesitation. If everyone follows this course, the world will become a utopia free of all poverty, disease, conflict, and financial uncertainty. The events of 9/11 happened exactly as the U.S. government has told us. So continue watching 3 hours of TV every night, do not read, & continue to give 50% or more of your earnings to government. This will make you happy. If you doubt this, just look at the way the Great Society programs have eliminated poverty (as LBJ said, "we will end poverty with a stroke of the pen."), the U.N. has ended all armed conflict in the world, and the Social(ist) (In)Security system is thriving & healthy (just as politicians told us it would be). Since, as the government claims, a complete government takeover of the U.S. health system will make it perfect, allow the government to take over every single aspect of the economy, then we will have reached the promised land, as did the Soviet Union. Back to 9/11. The fact that John Ashcroft & some Pentagon officials discontinued traveling on commercial airlines prior to 9/11 because of a "threat assessment" by the FBI-and failed to warn the general public-means nothing. Yes, some small groups of people made a fortune shorting airline & insurance stocks immediately before 9/11, the media mentioned it in passing after 9/11, but the investigation into this was dropped shortly afterwards; this does not concern you-go back to watching Friends (tonight's episode may be the single most important moment in the history of our Nation). And, yes, the military's NORAD air defense system claimed it did not learn that Flight 11 (the first jet to strike the WTC) had been hijacked until some 25 minutes after the transponder was shut off and 15 minutes after flight controllers heard a hijacker say, "We have some planes;" the government will always protect us and we should give them even more power as a result of 9/11. Finally, it is logical to believe, as the government claims, that the black boxes from the two jets that crashed into WTC 1 & 2-black boxes that are built to withstand anything short of a nuclear explosion-were destroyed in the impact, yet the passport from one of the hijackers, which was made of thin plastic & paper, survived the impact & was even recovered from the rubble; don't trouble yourself with this-your 12-pack of Bud is getting warm. Government is great, government protects us from everything, & government must be allowed to grow infinitely. Oops, look at the time! The episode of Joe Millionaire with the babe in the hot tub is about to start-we can't miss that." - Anonymous John, The United States of Corruption is only part of a vast and intricate web of manipulation. If you can't see for yourself by now that the U.S. is leading a manufactured war on terrorism and somethings just don't add up, I feel sorry for you. Tell me again how we ended back up in Iraq when it was supposed to be Osama Bin Ladin and Al-Qaida that carried out the attacks on U.S. soil? Why is it we only hear about Osama a fraction of the time and he's used as an ace in the governments sleeve when they need him? Why is it that most people don't know that he was (is) a known CIA operative who's Mujahedin faction was supplied arms by the CIA to fight the Soviet invasion of Afghanastan? The U.S. has more a lot more power and capabilities than some guy (supposedly) living in a cave. It's well known that the Bush family has ties to the Bin Ladins and the Saudi Royal Family (all about the oil, baby), just ask Salem Bin Ladin.. oh wait you can't he died in a (supposed) plane crash. And can anyone tell me why we ended up back in Iraq? We vehemently said that Saddam had WMD's, yet it was proven that Saddam has been pretty much disarmed and was non-threatening pre - 9/11. By the way, weapons were found in Iraq, the ones that we supplied them with during their war with Iran, a war that went over most peoples heads... I'd say this about sums it up.... "Do not believe anyone who questions or doubts the government or major media. Politicians and owners of mainstream magazines, TV stations, etc. are perfect & are free from greed, self interest, and we should do as they say without hesitation. If everyone follows this course, the world will become a utopia free of all poverty, disease, conflict, and financial uncertainty. The events of 9/11 happened exactly as the U.S. government has told us. So continue watching 3 hours of TV every night, do not read, & continue to give 50% or more of your earnings to government. This will make you happy. If you doubt this, just look at the way the Great Society programs have eliminated poverty (as LBJ said, "we will end poverty with a stroke of the pen."), the U.N. has ended all armed conflict in the world, and the Social(ist) (In)Security system is thriving & healthy (just as politicians told us it would be). Since, as the government claims, a complete government takeover of the U.S. health system will make it perfect, allow the government to take over every single aspect of the economy, then we will have reached the promised land, as did the Soviet Union. Back to 9/11. The fact that John Ashcroft & some Pentagon officials discontinued traveling on commercial airlines prior to 9/11 because of a "threat assessment" by the FBI-and failed to warn the general public-means nothing. Yes, some small groups of people made a fortune shorting airline & insurance stocks immediately before 9/11, the media mentioned it in passing after 9/11, but the investigation into this was dropped shortly afterwards; this does not concern you-go back to watching Friends (tonight's episode may be the single most important moment in the history of our Nation). And, yes, the military's NORAD air defense system claimed it did not learn that Flight 11 (the first jet to strike the WTC) had been hijacked until some 25 minutes after the transponder was shut off and 15 minutes after flight controllers heard a hijacker say, "We have some planes;" the government will always protect us and we should give them even more power as a result of 9/11. Finally, it is logical to believe, as the government claims, that the black boxes from the two jets that crashed into WTC 1 & 2-black boxes that are built to withstand anything short of a nuclear explosion-were destroyed in the impact, yet the passport from one of the hijackers, which was made of thin plastic & paper, survived the impact & was even recovered from the rubble; don't trouble yourself with this-your 12-pack of Bud is getting warm. Government is great, government protects us from everything, & government must be allowed to grow infinitely. Oops, look at the time! The episode of Joe Millionaire with the babe in the hot tub is about to start-we can't miss that." - Anonymous S.Amin, S Amin: Terorism-Osama-Al Qaeda,9-11 are intelligence & political tools used to mis represent Muslims & Islam.This is the Ziocon propaganda / plans/acts used to attack Muslims / Islam after destroying USSR.This is the next/ current cold war.Osama & his team only appear in the media / cassettes of Al-Jazeera TV of the Qatar province of United States of America to support Bush,Blair...& their team,to help them win elections,get congress,senate,parliament bills passed by OSAMA'S very ,very, very,timely cassette release THREATS.TERRORISM IS THE NEW TOOL USED TO IMPLEMENT THE NEW WORLD DISORDER. AL QAEDA IS SIMPLY A WING OF CIA / FBI / MOSAD / MI-5...'S HIRED BY MONEY & BLACKMAILING AGENTS.IF ANY BODY WANTS TO KNOW WHAT AL QAEDA IS DOING NEXT-JUDGE IT FROM BUSH'S OR BLAIR'S SPEACHES/STATEMENTS- THEY PREDICT THE NEXT ACTIVITY.OSAMA,AL ZWAHIRY'S ALL STATEMENTS /CASSETTES TIMELY APPEAR TO SUPPORT BUSH,BLAIR,ISRAEL'S ACTIONS,NEEDS.THESE CAT & MOUSE / TOM & JERRY CATOONS ARE CREATED TO FOOL THE WORLD, TO KEEP WAGING WARS,JUSTIFY CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY, JUSTIFY & LEGALISE COLOUR / RELIGIOUS DISCIMINATION,RACIALISM,COLONIALISM,INJUSTICE,SUPPORT PUPPET REGIMES..... THIS IS THE REAL FACE OF CAPITALISM,SO ROTTEN,POVERTY INDUCING THROUGH RUMOR-PRICE HIKE SYSTEM THAT IT WILL BRING THE SOCIALISM BACK BY THE FED UP MASSES OF PEOPLE ALL AROUND THE WORLD DUE TO THE BLOOD SUCKING,OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC BY THE ELITE MAFIA'S BY WAY OF WARS,RUMOR & DELIBERATELY SPONSORED ATTACKS-CIVIL WARS TO SHUT DOWN OIL SUPPLIES TO HIKE OIL PRICES & HENCE MARKET /COMMODITY PRICES,WHICH NEVER RETURN BACK/COME DOWN ( ITS GENERAL PUBLIC'S HARD EARNED MONEY STOLEN BY PRICE HIKES, INTO ELITE & CORPORATE CRIMNALS' POCKETS, TAXES ULTIMATELY POURING INTO ELITE/CORPORATE POCKETS.THERE IS NO REAL BASIS FOR ANY NATIONS / RELIGIONS / PEOPLE TO GO TO WARS. ITS THIS ELITISM/CORPORATE CULTURE/CAPITALISM/NEW WORLD DISORDER THAT SUPPORTS ALL THE WARS,CONFLICTS,TERROR ACTIVITIES/GANGS...THIS HAGEMONY IS MAINTAINED BY THE USA,EXPERT ADVISE & AID BY UK,FLARED & SPEARHEADED BY ISRAEL & ITS GOVERNOR GENERALS IN THE USA,UNWILLING BY THE COALITION OF THE WILLING (ACTUALLY NON- WILLING COUNTRIES).EVERY THING EXTREEME HAS AN END, THIS CAT & MOUSE/TOM & JERRY STORY / DRAMA WILL ULTIMATELY COME TO ITS LOGICAL END,ITS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME. ( S.AMIN: amin@iafrica.com ) David O, Looks like a lot of people here wear tinfoil hats regularly! LOL Im Canadian, I swear !!, Mr.Al-thaidi I realy liked the article. Conspiracy theories are the essence of modern American mythology. Americans LOVE to entertain a good conspiracy theory. I myself dont rule out the possibility of our government having some involvement in 9/11. Here is the leading Conspiracy thoery in the U.S about that day: Our government knew these attack were going to occur & did nothing to stop them, short of shooting down the airplane that crashed in a field in Pennsylvania (it's beleived that plane was heading for the White House or for Capitol builing so it couldn't be allowed to finish its mission). With all the resources that the CIA has they had to have known that the attack was comming. But it was allowed to happen so that Bush Inc. could justify any military action or constitutional rights violation. After the attack the American public was in PANIC. Al –Qaeda had succeeded in their terror opertion & by doing so played right into the hands of the American rigime. Many things have been done by this administration that would have NEVER been allowed by the public or congress in the past. We knew Al -Qaeda operated in Afghanistan long before 9/11 but the American people would have never stood for the military invasion of another country and the overthrow of it's government. Had the CIA & Bush Inc. stopped the attacks of 9/11 we never would have invaded that country. EVEN THOUGH WE KNEW THEY WANTED TO BLOW UP THE WTC, like you mentioned, it had been tried in the past by Ramzi Yousif. But because he didnt succeed nothing realy happened. 9/11 has given the current rigime carte blanch to do what ever it wants, in any part of the world, so long as they can say "Were protecting American Interests FROM TERRORISTS" (which can be translated "We are pushing forward for the interest of American Big OIL corporations). I don't particularly subscribe to this conspiracy. But realy is this conspiracy theory any less credible than the other popular conspiracy from a few years back. You remember the one about "Iraq has weapons of mass distruction, they are trying to aquire 'Nu-clear' weapons, & Saddam is supporting Al -Qaeda"? /that's strange theirs helicopters buzzing over my neighborhood & a white van just pulled up in front of ***CARRIER LOST*** Jo Brooks, Several years have gone by, some facts are in and I still have lots of questions? If 911 was truly caused by Al-Qaeda and Osama Bin Ladin as its head, why didn't the Bush Administration go after him instead of heading toward Sadam Husain? I agree with the person that wrote about our fighter planes not responding. It's either they weren't ordered too or the USA's Air force is in very sad shape. The last question I have is why didn't the "terrorist" strike during last years Hurricane Season. Unless the "terrorist" are totally stupid, one would think if one wanted to bring the USA to its knees that would have been an ideal time to strike during a obvious time of weakness? As a USA citizen I am forced to live with a President I view as threat to all mankind. Hopefully, his sins are catching up with him and hopefully, he will be impeached. I want the Middle Eastern people to know that most Americans want this national disgrace out of office. I also know that not everyone in the World likes us and some would like to see us end. I just don’t think there is a terrorist around every corner like some in the USA Government would like us to think. J. Myers, I would like to introduce a new word to Mr S. Amin's vocabulary: logorrhea. I find that the less sense your argument makes, the more words you need to justify it. The converse is also true. S Amin, To Mr J Myers.You are free to express your views on this ARABNEWS FORUM.The CNN,FOX,BBC are no match for ARABNEWS.CNN,FOX,BBC are a mere COLONIAL,New World Disorder,PROPAGANDA FORUMS,specialised in LYING & MISREPRESENTATION TECHNOLOGY,colaborating in justifying and waging wars and ultimately poverty,inflicting suffering,turning a blind eye to bigger and massive violations of morality,justice and human rights of the offending governments ( rather regimes)( I do not blame, or hold responsible, the people or the public at large of these nations / governments who are fed lies/propaganda /promises of favourable loots from these wars.THE AFFAIRS OF THE WORLD / MANKIND /HUMANITY ARE A SHAME, AT EVEN,THIS MUCH AND THIS FAR EVOLVED MANKIND.AT THIS POINT YOU ARE TRYING TO CONVINCE THIS FORUM OR MYSELF THAT THE INITIATORS AND BENEFICIARIES OF WARS,COLONIALISM,BRUTALITY,MIGHT IS RIGHT....., ARE RIGHT ( CORRECT)/ INNOCENT AND THAT THE VICTIMS OF WARS,COLONIALISM,BRUTALITY...., ARE WRONG.THIS MUCH DEVIATION OF YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS / OPINION FORMATION IS SHOCKINGLY ABNORMAL.I would,nt have commented this much,this far, had you not picked up upon me or individual writers on this forum.Every one is free to comment,on issues or other writers to the extent of complementing (adding / supporting) or disagreeing.You chose to personal profiling ( individual targetting ) of writters on this forum.This is a school age, intolerance ( of others' views), disorder,some grow out of it and some unfortunately can't.I have worked and am working with people from different religions,nationalities,races and openly ( not appologetically ) express my views and hear,absorb,evaluate,discuss opposing views,and still we continue our relations as friends,brothers / sisters,families. I have American,British,Canadian,Australian,Arab,Indian,African,Europian colleagues friends,neighbours and I am proud of my friendship,brotherly relations with all of them.When ever and where ever they need my help I have done and will do my best,to help them all,protect them all,within and even beyond my means.This is what my parents,my religious and gen. teachers,my company of friends,my religion-ISLAM grew me upto.I condemn any acts of terrorism, violence,intolerance,wars from any source against anybody.No religion teaches it.If you wan't to give me any examples without an in depth understanding than I also have plenty of them to the contrary,but I believe it will get us no where. The Traders in wars with Corporate and Colonial appetite are always expert at achieving and maintaining such a status quo, such disasters.The general public suffers on both sides, at the end of each veitnam, each Iraq war.If you,though I hope not,enjoy the killing of veitnamies,Afghans,Iraqies then do you not forget the American,British,Canadian,Australian,Italian,Japanese... mothers,sisters,brothers,wives,children, whose beloved sons,brothers,husbands,fathers are dying and being brutally fed into wars for the selective greed of the Elite.This is a historic tragedy of mankind.As we evolve we should struggle to get rid of it.YOU STAND TO SUPPORT THE DETERIORATION OF MANKIND INTO THE TRAGIC,HISTORIC DARKNESS OF MIGHT IS RIGHT - THE LAW OF THE JUNGLE.Please review your position again and again and again and again till you start seeing atleast some light at the end of the tunnel.If you wan't to keep targetting me , what would you say to these following comments that keep coming up time and again in the newspapers/media/forums:- ( with regards,prayyers and hope that we address problems and not profile each other, S Amin: amin@iafrica.com ) Sunday, 12, March, 2006 (11, Safar, 1427) Hamas Why is it that it is only Israel’s right to exist that must be recognized but not Palestine’s? Israel has yet to recognize the Palestinians’ right to a state. From Golda Meir to Ariel Sharon through Benjamin Netanyahu and Yitzhak Shamir, all Israel’s leaders have declared the ultimate Zionist aim as the establishment of Eretz Israel, which would include the entire Palestine. Even if the right of the Palestinians for a state of their own were conceded, the announcements about final borders indicate that what may finally be conceded as “Palestine” will not be a contiguous land but a collection of scattered Bantustans, a country condemned to die on the day of its birth. International law does not allow an occupying power to alter borders. Though the UN resolutions that require Israel to withdraw to its 1967 borders still stand, Israel has made it clear that it will not abide by them. Why is there no demand that Israel implement them? And what does the phrase “Israel’s right to exist within ‘secure’ borders” mean? Is it that it has the right to fix its borders, unilaterally through the middle of Palestinian land as the wall is doing now, and that the Palestinians will be called terrorists if they don’t consider the stealing of their land a sacred, unquestionable right of the occupiers? Israelis reserve for themselves the right to come to Palestine to punish those who fire rockets at them. Why can’t Palestinians cross into Israel to punish those who attack them? Why should Palestinians agree to disarm themselves so that the Israelis have nothing to fear when they come on their savage missions? The reality on the ground is that there are two entities of unequal strength, but with equal hatred, facing each other. Disarmament should mean neither having weapons, or both having them. It is disappointing to see Europe joining the chorus demanding Hamas’ unilateral recognition of Israel and disarmament, without demanding any reciprocal commitment from Israel. Europe in its postcolonial phase — except Tony Blair’s Britain — has been showing a commitment to moral values even when it went against their own interests. It is disappointing to see it sinking to the level of America. Qasim Hussein, Riyadh published 12 March 2006 Hamas [2] I agree that the report “Haniyeh Could Be Murdered” (March. 8) warns of a situation that could spin out of control. However, the solution to the Israeli condemnation of Hamas is very simple. All Hamas has to do is retract its policy of not recognizing Israel and govern Palestine in a mature manner. Both Palestine and Israel have democratically elected governments. But if one continues to threaten the other, war will result. Brian, Canada published 12 March 2006 Hamas [3] First Israel “warns” Hamas that their prime minister will be killed in revenge for any Palestinian terrorist attack, implying that he has control over all Palestinian “terrorists.” Then Israel embarks on a series of “targeted killings” of alleged Palestinian terrorist leaders in the hope that sooner or later the Palestinians will retaliate, which of course will then be used as an excuse for assassinating the Palestinian prime minister and saying, “We had warned him.” Very clever. Andrew Winkler, United States published 12 March 2006 Deception as Policy I agree with Ramzy Baroud’s observations, in his article “Deception as the Official Public Policy” (March 8), that the Bush administration uses lies and deceit to subjugate, weaken and exploit other nations. America has always been biased against Muslim countries. It would like to see Muslim countries in poverty and fear — without industries, without weapons to defend their sovereignty and without even an independent foreign policy. My experience as a Malaysian Muslim bears this out. The US tried to destroy our economy a few years ago through a “hedge fund” with the help of corrupt government officials and unscrupulous corporate figures. The CIA was paying millions to those who were willing to destroy Muslim countries. After Iraq, America has fixed its baleful eye on Iran. It wants UN sanctions on Iran not because of nuclear issues, but for economic reasons. Imposing a ban on Iran’s exports and imports will damage the economies of China, India and Japan, the main importers of Iranian energy products and America’s present and future competitors. Furthermore, war will mean more money to America as the world’s leading supplier of weapon and military arsenals. Zainal A. Ahmad, Kuala Lumpur published 12 March 2006 Bigger Liars The report “Moussaoui Could Have Prevented Attacks: Prosecutor” (March 8) quoted the prosecutor as claiming that Moussaoui knew in advance about the Sept. 11 attacks and could have prevented them from happening if he had talked. It is a sad situation when a man’s silence and lies lead to the loss of some 3,000 lives. My deepest sympathies go to the families who lost their loved ones in the attack on the World Trade Center. However, having said that, I must say that there is something weird about the quest for justice here. I don’t think it is fair to put the blame for the death of the 3,000 on Moussaoui’s lies, and yet put no blame on those whose lies caused the death of more than 100,000. These deaths came as a result of the deliberate lies George Bush and his government told the world. Shouldn’t they also be tried for the loss of lives because of their lies? Or is it that only American lives matter and those of Iraqis and Afghans are of no worth? Akil Khan, Riyadh published 12 March 2006 stop the insanity, Some people need to practice a little blog etiquette, namely posting a link to an article rather than pasting the whole damn article into the blog. Now in response to the question as to why we went into Iraq and not after Bin Laden...were you living in a cave too? We did go after Bin Laden in a barren wasteland called Afghanistan. Unfortunately, we relied on the followers of warlords to take the lead at Bora Bora. Bad move. Now finding Bin Laden is like trying to find a needle in a haystack the size of the Egyptian pyramids, except finding the needle would be easier. As for invading Iraq, the US has leaders that are either blind or obsessed. Bush is the former and Cheney is the latter. However, that doesn't mean that I am buying into any of this conspiracy nonsense. S. Amin, . Please refer to a posting in one of these articles, posted as: [Wellwisher, http://website.lineone.net/~jon.simmons/roy/peanutb.htm Here is a list of the countries that America has been at war with - and bombed - since the second world war: China (1945-46, 1950-53), Korea (1950-53), Guatemala (1954, 1967-69), Indonesia (1958), Cuba (1959-60), the Belgian Congo (1964), Peru (1965), Laos (1964-73), Vietnam (1961-73), Cambodia (1969-70), Grenada (1983), Libya (1986), El Salvador (1980s), Nicaragua (1980s), Panama (1989), Iraq (1991-99), Bosnia (1995), Sudan (1998), Yugoslavia (1999). And now Afghanistan. Certainly it does not tire - this, the most free nation in the world ] ( un quote) Its a matter of serious concen, historical significance & background and future predictor of logical / scientific outcome: To every action, there is equal and opposite reaction ( Newton's Laws ).How can USA grow seeds of hatred, bloodshed, barbarianism, abuse resources of other nations, leave them poor, bombed, irradiated, orphaned and label them ignorant, uncivilized, terrorists and reap crops of love and appreciation, despite pouring lots of aid over these wounds and then hurt the wounds again and again. Same being done by European Governments. This is the root cause of First World versus the rest. [THE FIRST WORLD'S PROGRESS IN EDUCATION,INDUSTRIES,SCIENCES....IS SUPERB, A BIG WELL DONE, IN CAPITALS, ALONG WITH THE AID GIVEN IN DISASTERS, CRISIS, THE DONATIONS ARE ACTS, BEYOND DOUBT, APPRECIATED IN THE BEST POSSIBLE WORDS.] Now returning to your concerns: Many 9-11s happened in the past, are happening and will happen to keep on track and justify this dominance. Problem is common people are too ignorant, short sighted, Hollywood fantasized, shopping obsessed..... and have all their time for worthless activities but no time for useful thought. May be they fear the reality and hide in the myths and dreams of self glorification.( For example you as American still don't know that the name of your country has been changed by this regime to THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY, where HYPOCRACY is called DEMOCRACY. Your capital has (with full effect from 1960s ) changed. The country is no more governed from Washington, but from TELAVIV. This is a crude example of : THOSE WHO STEAL OTHER PEOPLES' SOVERENITY, THERE OWN SOVERENITY GETS STOLEN LIKEWISE.) *There will be no threats from the many AXES OF EVIL [They just want to mind their own business, leave them alone. If you chase a mouse it will scare away, but if you corner it, it will stand up to its defense, even without any WMD ,however powerless it may be, then you call it AXIS OF EVIL, TERRORIST, HAS WMD, THREATENS ISRAEL, WANTS A- BOMB, WHICH EVERYONE ON YOUR SIDE HAS IN HUGE NO.S, IS UNCIVILISED...IS THIS THE NEW WORLD DISORDER, GLOBALISATION, THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY- USA's NEW NAME, HYPO (DEMO)CRACY]. JUST THE ANGELS WILL FACE THEIR HOLY CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY ( NO INTERNET, COSMETICS TO MEDICINE, MOON TO MARS GIVES ANYONE LICENSE OF CIVILISATION FOR MASS KILLINGS, EXPLOITING / LOOTING FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS, ON SKIN COLOR AND RELIGIOUS DIVIDES. ( I HAVE DETAILED ACCOUNTS OF OIL- GOLD-OTHER MINNING,WEAPON INDUSTRIES' FIGURES FROM VARIOUS COUNTRIES / DECADES TO STATE THIS). THESE ARE ACTS OF BARBARIANISM CONTRARY TO CIVILISATION. The Weather inside USA is as pleasant as in Saddam, Hitler, Stalin, Chengez Khan's Palaces. But it is not representative of reality. TODAYS AMERICANS ARE NO BETTER INFORMED THAN THE FRENCH QUEEN WHO SUGGESTED TO THE POOR PROTESTORS THAT IF THEY CAN'T GET THE BREAD, WHY DON'T THEY EAT CAKE. PLEASE DON'T BRUISE (NOT BROWSE) PASS THE REALITIES AND DRAW CONCLUSIONS OF CONVENIENCE, TAKE A DIP INTO THE SUFFERING, A THOROUGH ONE, THROUGH YOUR OWN EYES, NOT THROUGH FOX, CNN BBC DISINFORMATION & FANTACY GOGLES.ASK yourself questions, then try answering them with opposing perspectives or view points, then look for answers that can best solve the problem BILATERALLY, NOT UNILATERALLY. My Conclusion is: The First World Regimes Only Emphasize and often over emphasize their positive / constructive role, but refuse to recognize their negative / destructive role. Whenever and who ever challenges their roles, they resort to more violence over the existing violence. They are utilizing all the resources internationally with a lion's share. They practice 1-Skin color, 2- Religious 3-partisan divides( with us or the axis of evil, if you refuse to be bullied).They aggressively and effectively over use their intelligence agencies for mass dis information, cover ups, overthrowing regimes, supporting un popular sell out regimes, manufacturing/inventing AXIS OF EVIL,TERRORISM .... SCENARIOS, TURNING HUMAN RIGHTS, DEMOCRACY, JUSTICE UPSIDE DOWN,INSIDE OUT, for other nations, but preserve all this within their own countries ( MULTI STANDARD). The rest of the world / third world hasn't got any reasonable control over their destinies. GERMANY, JAPAN, TAIWAN, S. KOREA allowed to progress to compete / face and let down Communist threat/competition. Had one of these countries been a Muslim country it would have been dropped off the list. All the countries' policies, leaderships, elections-results, economies, coups are pre decided, where ever and when ever possible. This hegemony to control the world is seriously STUNTING THE GROWTH OF THE REST OF THE WORLD.NOT MANY COUNTRIES CAN RESIST THIS AGGRESSION AND PROGRESS ( MALAYSIA DID STILL / DESPITE FULL AGGRESSION TO RUIN IT ) Examples-countless: *INDONESIA,PHILLIPINES,N.KOREA,INDIA,PAKISTAN,AFGHANISTAN, IRAN,TURKEY,...MIDDLE EAST EXCEPT ISRAEL,ALL OF AFRICA & SOUTH AMERICA,NON SUBMITTING EASTERN EUROPE....)NO PLAN ,PROGRESS TAKES OFF FOR EDUCATION,ECONOMIC REFORMS,PROGRESS WHEN YOU KEEP SHAKING THEIR INTEGRITY,KEEP PUSHING THEM TO THE FLOOR,EACH TIME THEIR TRY TO STAND UP.IMAGINE AN INJURED PERSON WHO TRIES TO STAND UP AND YOU PUSH HIM DOWN TO THE GROUND,YOU ARE READY TO PROVIDE HIM WITH CIVILISED HUMANITARIAN AID,BILATERAL DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS,TERRORISM MANUFACTURING-TRAINING-SELF TARGETTING AND UTILISING TECHNOLOGY TO WIPE OFF POLITICAL & IDEOLOGICAL OPPONENTS WITH SMOKE SCREENS FOR THE SLEEPING / UNAWARE MASSES OF PEOPLE.WHERE EVERY LEADER/PUPPET MEETS TO DISCUSS TERRORISM,COSMONAUTS MEET IN SPACE TO DISCUSS TERORISM,BIRDS CHIRP ON THE TREES TO DISCUSS TERRORISM,MINE WORKERS DAILY GO DOWN THE MINES NOT TO WORK BUT TO DISCUSS TERRORISM. ) BUT,EACH TIME HE STRUGGLES, IMPERFECTLY, TO STAND UP YOU PUSH HIM DOWN & HURT HIM AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN & HAVE NO MERCY ON HIM..ALL THE CONTROLS, PARAMETERS OF HIS RECOVERY ARE UNDER YOUR CONTROL AND YOU KEEP BLAMING HIM UNCIVILISED,AXIS OF EVIL,TERRORIST,VIOLENT. THIS IS HEIGHT OF DELIGHT / NONSENSE, THIS IS HEIGHT OF DELIGHT / NONSENSE. ( Will return to continue) (S. Amin : amin@iafrica.com larry silverstein, Hi, I'm Larry Silverstein, the owner of the World Trade Center complex. I just wanted to say that I regret what I said about World Trade Center 7, the third steel building that collapsed horrendously on September 11. I did not decide to 'pull it down' as I said in a video interview shortly after the horrific attack. What I meant to say was "I wish it could collapse so that I could collect the insurance money". Luckily, thanks to 2 small fires (as perfectly proved by the 9/11 commission), it fell neatly down on its own footprint at 5:20 pm. I was so happy I popped a bottle of vintage Veuve Cliquot !!! (I have also made some fat cash by patenting this new discovery : all you need to 'pull' a steel-frame skyscraper is to pour some diesel on a couple of floors, throw a matchstick and sit back sipping champagne as you watch the crappy old building crumble into a pile of dust ! - to hell with those expensive demolition experts! ) a321steph, StephA-Continuation from what I wrote in “How Doves become Hawks but got cut off. “With only five loaves of bread.20 American Patriot, arabnews.com must be a CIA website because what I read is pure American Zionist propaganda. Explain to me how WTC building #7 came down? It wasn't hit by an airplane but it came down in a controlled demolition. We Americans are learning very quickly that 911 was a Mossad operation. America is controlled by Jews. You probably know that. Help! stop the insanity, Some American Patriot you are. WC7 was hit with massive falling debris, and the crash of the other buildings produced the seismic effect of a major earthquake, igniting fires, which brought the building down. Here is what firemen on site had to say about it: "Battalion Chief John Norman Special Operations Command - 22 years "From there, we looked out at 7 World Trade Center again. You could see smoke, but no visible fire, and some damage to the south face. You couldn’t really see from where we were on the west face of the building, but at the edge of the south face you could see that it was very heavily damaged. http://tinyurl.com/ez3bo "Captain Chris Boyle Engine 94 - 18 years "Boyle: ...on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good. "Firehouse: When you looked at the south side, how close were you to the base of that side? "Boyle: I was standing right next to the building, probably right next to it. "Firehouse: When you had fire on the 20 floors, was it in one window or many? "Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day. http://tinyurl.com/eofwh "Fire chief Daniel Nigro clearly thought the building could collapse. Here's why. "'The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged [WTC Building 7]. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt...'" "Deputy Chief Peter Hayden Division 1 - 33 years "...also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse. "Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away? Hayden: No, not right away, and that’s probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn’t make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety. http://tinyurl.com/zwtrs READ ALL ABOUT IT HERE: http://tinyurl.com/j4f9n Both main towers WERE hit by passenger jets (not military jets or planes) as several THOUSAND photographs, and HUNDREDS of videos prove. I WATCHED it happen. Do you think the government is so stupid it wouldn't know that people had cameras and video cameras, not to mention eyeballs? Stop reading hokey books by religious crackpots. ALL the evidence refuting the conspiracy theorists is readily available, but you won't even bother to look because you WANT and NEED to believe this other crap. Mass hysteria, paranoia, and conspiracy theories have caused more misery on this planet than almost anything else in history. conspiracy my ass, "Why are the 9 of the hijackers still alive in the middle east?????" This story, a erroneous one originally from the BBC, was debunked years ago by a number of newspapers and the BBC itself. As usual, the 9/ll crackpots are trapped in old material. They never update anything. Incidentally, the origin of much of the 9/11 conspiracy, including the false notion that fire cannot bring down towers, is not a scientist, but a "theologian" (translation fantacist) named David Ray Griffin. This man, who has done great harm to a great many innocent people, is no authority, unless quoting biblical passages makes him one. http://tinyurl.com/oey8n http://tinyurl.com/eaz5n If water seeks its own lever, the 9/ll conspiracy theorists need to be flushed. Saad Al Hamdi, The author is not Muslim eventhough he has a muslim name. He lives on the leftovers of the americans. Most of the people believe that it was the american government who attacked their own country and blamed it on muslims. All of us have proof about this attack. I have american christian friends who also believe their government was involved. How can this author blame muslim without any proof. He is not fit to be an author. Oh the lack of facts..., So just how well laid out are the facts revolving around this entire issue? I guarantee that the average American knows not, and cares not. point towards "Loose change:" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change No, we don't know, and the rest of this is mindless speculation. The funny thing is, when you get down to it, it does not matter whether or not we know. The American government will move forward with its agenda regardless of who did what where why or when. People will still get bombed, countries will still get invaded. Facts have been shown to not be the deciding factor; it is now the media and, as many would say, these large, overarching "conspiracy" bodies. So, why all the debate? If you really want to make an impact, too bad. rajah matikas, ACCA PULCO: i know you are an operative of al qaeda and the israeli mussad, they are the ones who wants to take over this world!! they have help from E.T... from your writing, you were kidnapped in some UFO and downloaded with images now in your super-duped brain. HOW's THAT FOR A THEORY?? Jonette hickman, Who put the bombs in the towers? Who knew the planes were going to hit the towers, before they hit? shocked, Wow - I cannot believe that there are people in this world that actually believe that the twin towers was not work of Al-Queda. I didn't really think that there were people out there who could be convinced of these absurd conspiracy theories - I'm truly shocked. Anthony Hodgkiss, How is it that the FBI, up till now, have no evidence as to who is responsible for 9/11. See their web site. BL, if taken to court, would be found not guilty for lack of evidence!!! Mari, I would like all of you to take a look at a website http://www.911truestory.com/other.html. You will change your mind dramatically. Especially the "EveryBodys Gotta Learn Sometime" - VIDEO Jack Beanstalk, I think your all a few frie's short of a happy meal. don, as for the artical I find it well researched and written. as for the comments from those still beleaving in some vast conspiricy, I remind you of what motivates most all people. that is Fear or Greed or both. Take any theory and follow it to its logical conclusion and you they just don't pan out. that is unless you discount as useless most facts.. SamIam, To: Diana Ranger, "Nagasaki was bombed due to cloud over the target Kokura and the bomb made a direct hit on the largest cathedral in Asia, obliterating it and thousands of worshippers." that's all very nice but it doesn't change my point that Nagasaki was a very viable military target. shameem fatima, Mr althaidi is living in delusion maybe he need sto gather all facts together rather than beliveing in the all lying masonic jewsih media whose aim is to spread lies against Islam and Muslims so that they can be eradicated quickly which is impossible and they can fulffill their wish of anew world order bush has already spoken about the new world order and total world domination mr althaidi was probably watching MTV at that time . why has the opium production in afgahnistan gone up after the taliban left why are thier more neocons companies benfitting from the war .why were the terrorirst attcks conducted on jewish holiday when 4000 jews wer absent form work well known fact . if the terrorist wanted to do this why did they do it on holiday are they bloody fools.why did dick cheney disppear underground for one month after the attcks not answering any questions why di bush not respond to the calls in florida and went on reading astory book as if nothing happened . how come CNn was waiting for the cameras focussed on the building s recording everything how come the terrprists leave acssetet and messages thru internet and nobody is able to catch them how come other websites talking aboutAmerican state terrorism articles and boks written about policies of the west and dirty aims and desires blocked form public viewing and other websites with claims real or unreal still visible to the public even afourth grader can tell why. the jewish book talmud holy book in the book of snahedrins talks about killing gentiles or non jews and lying to them how much do you know mr althaid what does the pyramid on the dollar bill stand for maybe you ar epart fo the masonic jewsish cults for whom the biggest hurdle is ISlam who want to make thie world free of religion satanic worhsippers.who practice black magic through the kabbalah jewsih holy book check it out for yourself and stop spreading stupid lies because only fools will belive it and accept it. shameem fatima, Mr althaidi is living in delusion maybe he need sto gather all facts together rather than beliveing in the all lying masonic jewsih media whose aim is to spread lies against Islam and Muslims so that they can be eradicated quickly which is impossible and they can fulffill their wish of anew world order bush has already spoken about the new world order and total world domination mr althaidi was probably watching MTV at that time . why has the opium production in afgahnistan gone up after the taliban left why are thier more neocons companies benfitting from the war .why were the terrorirst attcks conducted on jewish holiday when 4000 jews wer absent form work well known fact . if the terrorist wanted to do this why did they do it on holiday are they bloody fools.why did dick cheney disppear underground for one month after the attcks not answering any questions why di bush not respond to the calls in florida and went on reading astory book as if nothing happened . how come CNn was waiting for the cameras focussed on the building s recording everything how come the terrprists leave acssetet and messages thru internet and nobody is able to catch them how come other websites talking aboutAmerican state terrorism articles and boks written about policies of the west and dirty aims and desires blocked form public viewing and other websites with claims real or unreal still visible to the public even afourth grader can tell why. the jewish book talmud holy book in the book of snahedrins talks about killing gentiles or non jews and lying to them how much do you know mr althaid what does the pyramid on the dollar bill stand for maybe you ar epart fo the masonic jewsish cults for whom the biggest hurdle is ISlam who want to make thie world free of religion satanic worhsippers.who practice black magic through the kabbalah jewsih holy book check it out for yourself and stop spreading stupid lies because only fools will belive it and accept it. , Hisham Ahmed, -75 American Professors think that 9/11 is fake. -Families of the victims had so many unanswered questions that can point as evidence toward a conspiracy. -Why not, isn't the reasoning convincing? isn't the "Man on Moon" theory (which suggests that man has never been to the moon) convincing for that matter? stop the insanity, I would urge people to watch the film "Flight 93" if you get the chance. Yes, it's a movie, but it is based as closely to the actual events that took place on 9/11 as humanly possible. All the phone calls that you see in the movie are actual dialogue taken from calls made on that day. Personally, I thought the film was very sensitive and tolerant regarding how the hijackers were portrayed, especially since nobody will ever know exactly what those hijackers were thinking or feeling on that day, other than what was picked up through the air-to-ground communications. The fact that people talk about a 9/11 conspiracy to this day simply boggles my mind. When tragic events of this magnitude occur, some people simply cannot wrap their minds around it. It's very simple, people...a group of men got flight school training in the United States which gave them enough knowledge to be dangerous. They came armed with knife-like weapons which were legal to bring on planes at the time, and they used those weapons to scare the passengers into submission to achieve their goal. Since then, Osama bin Laden and his top deputy have stated they are responsible for 9/11 several times, praising the hijackers and showing a video of the hijacker who is believed to have been the pilot of the plane that smashed into the Pentagon. I don't know why the conspiracy theorists cannot call a spade as a spade based on this information that is clear to everyone but themselves. I believe, knowing what we know now, that they don't want to waver from their positions that have long since been disproven, because they have spent the last 5 years trying to uncover something that is not there. In other words, they have spent so much time convincing others of a conspiracy that they are fearful of changing their position now, for fear of admitting to themselves that they have wasted the last 5 years of their lives. Jeffrey Jones, None but the hijackers knew of the attacks. You Muslim fools are missing the point. The 9/11 is like a the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, though most people in American will not talk about it in the open. It's one of the few things we don't talk about. It will be sad, but innocent Muslim American's will likely be interred like Japanese Americans were in WWII - but that's war. We fully expect our Government to eventually respond to the threat of Islam and destroy it if necessary. Most Muslims think US hates Islam. That is like saying the cow hates the horse. It does not know it. War is not a personal thing for Americans. Until 9/11 we did know about Islam. But now after the anger dies, it's just like any other job. This is not a full war yet. Full scale war is what we really do best and we are not there yet. All these Iraqi and forgien fighter nut jobs: the Shiite/Sunni, moonie, hoony, doony, (we don't care) it's all bad, dangerous Islam to us. Voilent Islam. Proud Islam. Is there a humble Muslim? I have never seen one on the news. There is a certain rush of brain chemicals people have during a religious experience. This is probably enables them to leave logic behind and strap on a bomb. I don't know. I do know that Iraq will make it make it easy for us to do it. To be at full war with a draft and everything. We do it better than anyone in history. We are proud of it too. Don't forget that. Look at Japan now. What terrific and prosperous country our old enemy has become. Radation is no fun though. It's awful and regretable. But at the time the people of the United Sates were behind it. But we love Japan now. They are the best people. They tolerate our policies and love our culture. Good neighbors though... anybody talks bad about them, hey - they are going to have to fight us first. We are obessed with Islam now in the same way we were about defeating Japan. If it is determined the best course is to wipe it off the map with a push of button to save American lives (and we can do it) - so be it. Get it done. We must neutralized the threat and move on to finding a cure for other things that are threatening our world like AIDS and Cancer. Do you get it yet? We don't care about Islam as a relgion it's become Nazi Germany to us or the Emperor of Japan. Like the Japanese army - there is so much pride in Islam. Willing to die for the cause eh? This is always proved a poor way to fight a war. The last time the western world took on Islam it was a stupid fight over the holy land. Back then we also thought the Sun rotated around the Earth. Stupid. Well the world doesn't rotate around Islam either. We have more important things to work on. We don't have time for this.We are spending alot in this fight. We are losing our patience, but we will defend American to the end just like World War II -with a flash of 1000's suns if necessary. It's cheaper and hell, the oil will still be there, safe and sound. JJ Veronica, Thank you! [url=http://igegxvvy.com/sjdg/tqnm.html]My homepage[/url] | [url=http://izfxfwxx.com/reob/sfcu.html]Cool site[/url] Elaine, Good design! My homepage | Please visit Ann, Great work! http://igegxvvy.com/sjdg/tqnm.html | http://sujxlekt.com/svje/uquk.html Ryan Phillips, Not only arabs are questioning the official story. I am an American and like most Americans I don't trust our president and most of our congresspeople whether they are Republican or Democrat. Like most Americans I am dismayed by the amount of control corporaations have on our government as well as the fact most of our department heads the president and congress members have at one time worked for an oil or defense company. Who has benefited most from 9/11. The Bush Administration, without this war of terror giving them oppurtunites for political posturing would not have had the popularity to be reelected in 2004. He also could not have generated the mass hatred and acceptance of the Iraq invasion. Homeland Security BS is just another psychological trick to make us feel scared. From orange alerts glaring on the TV screen to zealous TSA agents taking peoples toothpaste they want us to feel part of their war. Maybe it was a muslim terrorist who carried out the attack but I bet there were people in the American elites who knew about it. Extremists on opposite sides have been known to help each other fan the flames of war Ryan Phillips, Not only arabs are questioning the official story. I am an American and like most Americans I don't trust our president and most of our congresspeople whether they are Republican or Democrat. Like most Americans I am dismayed by the amount of control corporaations have on our government as well as the fact most of our department heads the president and congress members have at one time worked for an oil or defense company. Who has benefited most from 9/11. The Bush Administration, without this war of terror giving them oppurtunites for political posturing would not have had the popularity to be reelected in 2004. He also could not have generated the mass hatred and acceptance of the Iraq invasion. Homeland Security BS is just another psychological trick to make us feel scared. From orange alerts glaring on the TV screen to zealous TSA agents taking peoples toothpaste they want us to feel part of their war. Maybe it was a muslim terrorist who carried out the attack but I bet there were people in the American elites who knew about it. Extremists on opposite sides have been known to help each other fan the flames of war 777-777-1911form@value777.com, 777-777-1911form@value777.com yaya, you saudi scum, keep licking american and israeli arses Solomons Temple, Your a nut case sayin isreal had anything to do with this. John Locke, This is a great piece from Brian over at 911TrutheSeekers.org which deserves to be read on Sunday afternoon or evening with time and a relaxed state of mind to actually focus on the pile of evidence which is demanding an independent investigation be opened. The list below is a powerhouse of information and leads for the inquiring mind and concerned citizen. 9/11 INSIDE JOB: ALL EVIDENCE, NO THEORIES! 1. Where is the plane that crashed into the Pentagon? Where are the wings, the tail, the two 9-foot Rolls Royce steel engines, the fuselage, etc? How does a 757 with a wingspan of 125 feet fit into a 16 by 20 foot initial impact hole? Why were only five photos of "something" hitting the Pentagon released that certainly didn’t look like a 757? Why did the FBI confiscate all other videos and photos of the Pentagon crash? Why didn’t any of the Pentagon’s five antiaircraft batteries shoot the plane down? One large piece of evidence that was found was covered in blue tarp and hauled away into obscurity! They did find a 3-foot engine, which is coincidentally the same size as the Global Hawk’s engine. Also, many eyewitnesses saw a "plane that appeared to hold 8-12 people" hit the building. 2. Why the apparent "STAND DOWN" by the FAA, NORAD, and NMCC on 9/11? NORAD had routinely intercepted planes 67 times earlier that year within 20 minutes each time and NEVER had a failure like they did on 9/11, nor after 9/11. On June 1, 2001, new instructions issued by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff reassigned aircraft interception authority to Rumsfeld, contradicting normal procedures. When either radar and cockpit contact is blocked, when transponders are turned off, or when planes deviate from their flight plan, standard military procedure is to scramble fighter jets immediately in order to regain contact with the pilot. According to Richard Meyers (then Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) and NORAD spokesman Mike Snyder, NORAD did NOTHING (for over an hour) until AFTER the Pentagon was hit! When they finally did, they scrambled F-16’s from Langley Air Force Base 120 miles from the Pentagon, NOT Andrews AFB 12 miles away. To top off this peculiar event, the F-16’s conveniently traveled at 400 MPH, well under their 1500 MPH capacity, and they of course didn’t make it in time to the Pentagon. Because this was a clear violation of standard operating procedures, where are the reprimands? (Also see #24) Two months prior to 9/11, the FAA, FEMA, NORAD, DOD, and the White House were engaged in at least 35 drills including a series of elaborate War Games, anti-terror drills and hijack Field Training Exercises (FTX). They had 5 drills on the very morning of 9/11 – Operation Northern Vigilance, Biowarfare Exercise Triopod II, Operation Vigilant Guardian, Operation Northern Guardian, and Operation Vigilant Warrior. One drill covering New York City, involved hijacked planes used as missiles to attack prominent buildings! MASCAL, a mock terrorist exercise, was held in the Secretaries of Defense conference room on October 24-26, 2000. This exercise required emergency response teams, members of the defense protective services, and U.S. government officials to conduct emergency simulations in preparation for possible attacks on the Pentagon headquarters at the hands of incoming passenger planes. 3. Heat from burning jet fuel was reportedly the sole cause of the WTC collapses. What a ludicrous theory! 1. Steel melts at 2750°F. 2. The steel in the Towers was certified by Underwriters Laboratories Inc. to withstand 2000°F for 6 hours! 3. Jet fuel produces a maximum temperature of 1800°F in a special combustion chamber. Theories that claim the steel melted from the jet fuel fire violate the laws of physics! Also, steel frame buildings have NEVER collapsed due to fires! Steel frame buildings cannot collapse at free-fall speed, symmetrically, straight down into a relatively small pile of rubble due to fire. That’s a fact. WTC maintenance workers confirm massive explosions in the sub-basement area that closely coincided with the aircraft impacts on the upper floors. FDNY rescuers also confirm coordinated explosions "like demolition charges" in the North Tower, as they escaped. The media conveniently failed to show these witnesses. According to civil engineering professor Hyman Brown, the WTC’s construction manager, WTC 1 and 2 were designed to survive an impact and resulting fires from a collision by the largest commercial aircraft at the time, a Boeing 707, carrying 23,000 gallons of fuel. He also stated the towers "could have easily withstood multiple airplane crashes". Another feature that would be expected only if explosives were used to slice the steel columns would be molten steel, and its existence at the WTC site was indeed reported by several witnesses, including the two main figures involved in the clean up, Peter Tully, president of Tully Construction, and Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. Tully said that he saw pools of "literally molten steel" at the site. Loizeaux said that several weeks after 9/11, when the rubble was being removed, "hot spots of molten steel" were found "at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven basement levels". Hot spots were recorded up to 1377°F 5 DAYS AFTER 9/11! To top off this peculiar event, the steel structures and columns were quickly removed from the site (before any examination and to the objection of fire safety officials, firefighters, and victims’ families) and shipped to China and India to be recycled! (The real cause of the collapses was a highly sophisticated controlled demolition!) 4. How did WTC 7 collapse when no plane hit it? The collapse of Building 7 was later admitted to be a demolition by owner Larry Silverstein on a PBS interview in Sept. 2002. In a phone call with the FDNY chief regarding building 7, he said "We've had such terrible loss of life; maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse" referring to the demolition of building 7. Larry later explains that "pull it" meant to evacuate firefighters, but there were no firefighters in the building at that time! Also, the FDNY is not equipped or trained to "pull" Building 7 in a controlled demolition as Larry stated. Nor can any building be prepared for such a well-designed demolition in the few minutes after Larry asked to "pull it". Coincidentally, Silverstein assumed a 99-year lease on the WTC Towers on July 24, just six weeks before Sept. 11. After the attacks, Larry boldly asserted he was entitled to twice the insurance policy value because "The two hijacked airliners that struck the 110-story twin towers Sept. 11 were separate ‘occurrences’ for insurance purposes, entitling him to collect twice on $3.6 billion collective worth of the policies, or $7.2 billion." (Do you think he wanted building 7 to collapse? The official FEMA report on WTC 7 concludes "The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time." Nice investigation there!) 5. Don’t believe that our government is capable or that ruthless to murder Americans to justify a war in Iraq? Read about "Operation Northwoods", which shows plans that Lyman Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up in 1962 and approved for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. They proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba. The plan called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; a commercial plane full of college students to be shot down; a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. They even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation." People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing they needed to launch their war. 6. Why the strange pattern of debris from Flight 93? Where is the plane? Where are the bodies? Wally Miller, Sumerset County coroner stated, "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes because there were no bodies there." Ohio Mayor Michael White reported "A Boeing 767 out of Boston made an emergency landing Tuesday at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport due to concerns that it may have a bomb aboard. The plane had been moved to a secure area of the airport, and was evacuated. United verified the plane as Flight 93, but was deeply concerned about another jetliner in the vicinity, Flight 175." The government claims the plane exploded on impact yet a one-ton section of the engine was found over a mile away and other light debris was found scattered over eight miles away! Several witnesses heard "a loud bang" just before the plane began to drop and others saw a small military type plane flying around shortly before UA93 crashed. Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz said, "The Air Force was tracking the hijacked plane that crashed in Pennsylvania and had been in position to bring it down if necessary." The official theory says Flight 93 crashed at 10:03, but seismic analysis shows 10:06. Is that why there is 3 minutes missing from the CVR and the FBI is still hiding the analysis of the FDR & the air traffic control tape from that flight? How did passengers on flight 93 make cell phone calls while in flight? Regular cell phones don't work on commercial airliners flying at normal altitudes. Don’t believe these calls could’ve been staged? On February 1, 1999, a new voice morphing technology was introduced to Gen. Carl Steiner (former Commander-in-chief, US Special Operations Command) at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. By taking a 10-minute digital recording of Steiner’s voice, scientist George Papcun was able to clone his speech patterns and develop an accurate facsimile so exact, it even fooled Steiner! He was so impressed, he asked for a copy of the tape. 7. The invasion of Iraq was actually planned back in 1992 (during Bush I) by Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Perle, and Lewis Libby in their "Defense Planning Guidance". They later audaciously proposed a basic blueprint for U.S. world domination in PNAC’s "Rebuilding America’s Defenses". PNAC’s Sept. 2000 Statement of Principles - which states "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor" - would consequently advance their policies, i.e. justify wars and "regime changes". When they got back into power in 2001 they had an opportunity to enact their plan. The problem was that they needed a catalyst, an event that would justify these invasions. Their operational plans were then drawn up in June 2001, and 9/11 was treated as a Pearl Harbor pretext. Their original basis for war was to unseat the Taliban. They were claiming that the primary reason for these hostilities would be the Taliban's unwillingness to cooperate with UN inspectors, a pretext that would have not gone over well. They received a better pretext for attacking with the 9/11 attacks. Of course what they really wanted was to aggressively expand U.S. (globalist) influence throughout the region, and eventually secure a pipeline through Afghanistan for the benefit of UNOCAL and other big globalist oil companies. Another "smoking gun" is the Downing Street memo, which contains an overview of a secret July 23, 2002 meeting where British intelligence officials visited Washington informing Prime Minister Tony Blair that war was nearly inevitable with Iraq. 8. Usually in high crimes, investigators follow the money trail to find the perpetrator. Not in this case of never-ending coincidences and anomalies. On September 10, ISI agent Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh made a wire transfer of $100,000 to Mohamed Atta's bank account in Florida at the instruction of General Mahmoud Ahmad, the Director of the ISI. "Money man" General Ahmad was in Washington on 9/11, arriving on Sept. 4. He first met with CIA Director George Tenet until Sept. 9, and then met with officials in the Pentagon, the NSC, and the State Department on Sept. 13. The chairmen of the House and Senate Intelligence committees Porter Goss and Bob Graham had breakfast with General Ahmad on Capitol Hill the very morning of Sept. 11! (Can you say conflict of interest?!) Due to pressure from the Bush administration, General Ahmad was subsequently forced to resign on October 8, 2001, effectively blocking any further investigation into the matter. (How convenient!) 9. What ever happened to the Anthrax sent by terrorists? The letters contained a specific type of high quality mil-spec weaponized Anthrax made only by a United States military lab at USAMRIID Fort Detrick, Maryland. When the FBI discovered that the end of the hunt for the sender of the Anthrax letters was not Dr. Assaad the Egyptian, but Dr. Zack, who is Jewish, both the FBI and the media stopped making any public comments on the case! The targets of the anthrax attacks were the Senators who opposed the Patriot Act. (Coincidentally, since Nov. 2001, over 40 microbiologists have died under suspicious circumstances, most specializing in vaccines and bio-weapons research – very suspicious.) And why was Dick Cheney’s staff ordered to take the antibiotic Cipro weeks before the first anthrax attacks began? 10. Why Did the Bush Administration Endorse a Forgery about Iraq’s Nuclear Program? On September 24, 2002, George Tenet, Director of Central Intelligence, stated to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that the C.I.A. had recently received "intelligence" showing that, between 1999 and 2001, Iraq had attempted to buy five hundred tons of uranium oxide from Niger. Bush even mentioned this in his State of the Union Message, on January 28, 2003. However, on March 7th 2003, Mohamed ElBaradei, the Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, in Vienna, told the U.N. Security Council that the documents involving the Niger-Iraq uranium sale were fakes. One senior I.A.E.A. official went further. He told me, "These documents are so bad that I cannot imagine that they came from a serious intelligence agency. It depresses me, given the low quality of the documents, that it was not stopped. At the level it reached, I would have expected more checking." Another official said that the I.A.E.A. has not been able to determine who actually prepared the documents. "It could be someone who intercepted faxes in Israel. We don’t know. Somebody got old letterheads and signatures, and cut and pasted." 11. Where are the flight recorders (black boxes)? The FBI admits the recorders for flights 77 and 93 were found, but were "too damaged to provide any record". As for the WTC planes, two N.Y. City firefighters, Mike Bellone and Nicholas De Masi, claimed that they had found three of these four boxes, but Federal agents took them and told the two men not to mention having found them. Another source from the NTSB also says these boxes "were in fact recovered and were analyzed by the NTSB, but you’d have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are". (Nice cover-up FBI) 12. Did you know that the 9/11 Commission Executive Director Phillip Zelikow had conflicts of interest with the Bush Administration? Shortly after 9/11 he was on the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board up until he became executive director. He also co-authored a book with Condoleezza Rice about their experiences in the first Bush White House. Chairman Thomas Kean was director of oil giant Amerada Hess; had business ties to Saudi Khalid bin Mahfouz; co-chairman of Homeland Security Project; and CFR member. Furthermore, an official investigation of the attacks cannot be taken seriously when it took 14 months to authorize it, was then underfunded and obstructed, was then staffed only by government insiders who failed to ask hundreds of questions posed by victims’ families and excluded important information provided by whistleblowers, the few documents they were given had to be filtered through the White House for approval, based its whole premise on proving the "official theory", and allowed the FAA timeline to be changed! 13. Why was the budget for the 9/11 Commission investigation initially just $3 million? (Later raised to $15 million) Compare that to the commission budgets for the Space Shuttle Columbia crash and Clinton’s Whitewater scandal which were both given $50 million! Andy why did the Bush Administration wait 411 days to form the 9/11 investigation commission? Compare that to just 6 days for the Titanic, 7 days for JFK, 7 days for the Challenger tragedy, and 9 days for Pearl Harbor. And to top this off, the commission only released 25% of the 11,000 documents requested! (Talk about dragging their feet!) 14. On December 4, 2001 in a Town Hall Meeting in Orange County, President Bush met with displaced workers. Answering Jordan’s question of ‘How did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack?’ he said "I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower - the TV was obviously on." How did Bush see the first plane crash on live T.V. when it wasn’t shown anywhere until September 12? (My guess is he saw it on his closed circuit live camera feed that was already set up to view their operation) 15. Why did put option purchases on United Airlines and American Airlines stock rise above six times the normal levels in the days preceding 9/11? Abundant evidence shows that a number of transactions in financial markets indicated specific (criminal) foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks. Between September 6 and 7, the Chicago Board Options Exchange saw purchases of 4,744 put options on UA, but only 396 call options. On September 10, 4,516 put options on AA were bought, compared to only 748 call options. On September 10, the volume of trading in AMR put option contracts increased to 60 times the daily average and almost five times the total of all $30 put options traded before September 10. In the case of at least one of these trades -- which has left a $2.5 million prize unclaimed -- the firm used to place the "put options" on United Airlines stock was, until 1998, managed by A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard who is now Executive Director of the CIA. (You can’t purchase stock, futures, mutual funds or put options without providing your identity! The FBI, CIA and SEC know who made these purchases. Why aren’t they telling anyone else!?) 16. Why were the Bin Laden and Saud families (142 people total) permitted by the FBI and the White House to fly out of the U.S. on private jets on September 13th when all other private flights were still grounded by the FAA? In June of 2004, Tampa Bay International airport verified that this flight indeed took place. And Why did Bush stop all investigations into the Bin Laden family before 9/11? The FBI documents ?-I" (indicating a national security case) show that the FBI was pulled off the trail of Abdullah and Omar bin Laden in 1996 – and reopened Sept.19, 2001, eight days after 9/11. 17. How did they find Mohammed Atta’s and Satam al-Sugami’s passport which magically survived – unscathed – the plane crash, explosion, fire, over 200,000 tons of steel and 425,000 cubic yards of concrete totaling 1.2 million tons of rubble? Yet they can't locate the flight recorders from either plane? And who "found" them and at what time did they "find" these? This is the real outrageous conspiracy theory! (I have an idea, why doesn't Boeing design a new data recorder manufactured from the same indestructible material used to produce magical Saudi passports?) 18. Why are none of the hijackers’ names on the official UA and AA airline passenger lists? In fact, there are no Arabic names whatsoever! And how are 6 (of 19) hijackers still alive and well! The Egyptian lawyer Muhammad Atta, father of engineer Muhammad al-Ameer Atta, denied his son's involvement in these operations. In a statement to the London- based al-Sharq al-Awsat daily, Muhammad explained that his son phoned him after the attacks and did not talk about the 9/11 incidents. He expressed his conviction that his son’s identity was kidnapped and believes the Israeli Mossad murdered him a day later. 19. You may ask how and when the bombs were planted in the towers. There were plenty of opportunities to plant bombs with low risk of detection. Here are a few examples: • Ben Fountain, a 42 year old financial analyst who worked in the South Tower, said the weeks before 9/11 there were numerous unanswered and unusual drills where sections of both the Twin Towers and WTC 7 were evacuated for "security reasons". • Bomb-sniffing dogs were inexplicably removed from the Twin Towers five days before 9/11 • Scott Forbes, working for Fiduciary Trust in the 97th floor of the South Tower, reported that there was a 36 hour "power down" in the upper half of the South Tower on September 8–9 to complete a "cabling upgrade," where security systems consequently were shut down and many workers ran around busily doing things unobserved. They were informed by Port Authority three weeks prior to this. Yet another coincidence, a Bush-linked company, Stratesec, handled security for three clients that figured prominently in the attack - United Airlines; Dulles International Airport where AA FL 77 was hijacked; and the World Trade Center itself. The President’s brother, Marvin P. Bush, and his cousin, Wirt D. Walker III, were principals in Stratesec, with Walker acting as CEO from 1999 until January 2002 and Marvin reportedly in New York on 9/11. 20. Why were General Richard Myers of the Joint Chief of Staff and Senator Max Cleland in a meeting on September 11th, until after the Pentagon was struck, completely unaware of the attacks? Why did General Montague Winfield, the Director of the NMCC or "war room" located in the Pentagon, request on September 10th that someone stand in for him in the "war room" on September 11th, between 8:30am and 10:30am? 21. On Wednesday September 12th, 2001, Tom Kenney, a spokesman for FEMA’s "National Urban Search and Rescue Team" during an interview on national TV with CBS News anchor Dan Rather, let slip a frightening truth. Mr. Kennedy told Dan Rather, "We were one of the first teams that was deployed to support the City of New York in this disaster. We arrived on late Monday night, September 10th, and went right into action on Tuesday morning", September 11th. This was validated by former NY Mayor, Rudy Giuliani when he testified to the 9-11 Commission during the May 18-19, 2004 hearings in NY that FEMA was in fact there the day before for a Project "TRIPOD II" terror drill that was scheduled for 9/12! (What a coincidence!) Yet FEMA denies all of this! 22. Mayor Giuliani in an interview with Peter Jennings on ABC News stated: "We were operating out of there [the Emergency Command Center on the 23rd floor of WTC-7] when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse, and it did collapse before we could get out of the building." What a remarkable statement. There was no publicly available reason to believe that the towers were going to collapse. After all, steel-frame high-rise buildings had never before collapsed because of fire. Yet Giuliani’s statement suggests that he somehow knew - he says he was told by someone - that the towers were going to collapse. (Who told him the towers were about to collapse? How could anyone have known this in advance unless it was a planned demolition?) 23. On October 26, 2001 George Bush signed the misnamed USA PATRIOT Act, which was proposed just five days after 9/11! Just six weeks later this bill was passed! It is IMPOSSIBLE for a bill to be conceived, written, debated, and passed this quickly. You see, they had already written the bill BEFORE 9-11, and needed this disaster to justify its passage. In addition, testimony by Rep. Ron Paul revealed that most members of Congress were compelled to vote for the bill without even reading it. This was a vote to eliminate the Constitutional Bill of Rights, which has defined American freedom for 200 years, and it was accomplished when legislators voted for the bill without even reading it! 24. Did you know that initially the military reported on 9/11 that no fighters were sent up to intercept the hijacked planes until after the Pentagon was hit? Later the same week, the military put out a second story, saying that it had sent up fighters but because the FAA had been late in notifying it about the hijackings, the fighters arrived too late. The 9/11 Commission also reported a third version that the FAA gave the military insufficient warning of the first hijacked airline and no warning of the other hijackings until after they had crashed. (Why did the military change their story three times?) 25. Did you know the District of Columbia Air National Guard website Mission statement was significantly changed immediately after 9/11? The DCANG mission BEFORE 9/11 read: "To provide combat units in the highest possible state of readiness. We will support the Air Force and other DOD agencies. We will provide operational support to our local communities whenever possible." The DCANG mission statement AFTER 9/11 reads: "Capital Guardians, patriotic Americans, supporting and defending the United States of America and the Nation's Capital when directed by the President in order to assure the survival and success of liberty." The post 9/11 mission now has to be directed by the President in order to do anything. (What a peculiar and coincidental change!?) 26. Did you know that the U.S. financed, armed, and trained Al Qaeda? After Russian troops invaded Afghanistan in 1979, the CIA financed (with billions of dollars), armed, and trained bin Laden and thousands of other Mujahideen rebels. (Reagan called them "freedom fighters") The name "al-Qaeda" as an organization was first used in early 2001, when the U.S. government decided to prosecute Bin Laden in his absence (for the Aug ‘98 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed 224 people) and had to use anti-Mafia laws that required the existence of a named criminal organization. These are just a few of the hundreds of unanswered questions that the Bush administration doesn’t want you to know. If you simply study the facts, you will see that the official incompetence theory is the real "outrageous theory". an american citizen, tha arab news as a paper is a concpiracy theory,the saudi family and the way they came to power could be a conciracy theory.the qustion is "what happended" and the facts behind it.thats all. Momo, Regardless of who was responsible the fact remains that this act(the destruction of the Twin Towers) was celebrated in the Islamic world. OBL and his allies are revered as heros. This demonstates that even if the C.I.A., Jews, space aliens, ect... were responsible then the only thing many in the Islamic world regrets is the were not in on the plot. P.S.:isn't it interesting that OBL and his cohort are absolved of responsibility for 9-11, yet he is celebrated as a warrior against American Imperialism(whatever that is) Guest, I have read your artical and you raise some interesting ideas regarding the arab mentality and the events of 9/11. marginalized and catogarized all in the same scope summed up in a nut shell. dealing with a braod subject like the one at hand you must dignify it with more extensive research and data, we cannot come to a sound viewpoint in one artical and we cannot dismiss all the questions raised by some of the top professionals in academia regarding the events of 9/11 as mere concpeirocy theories. i commend the great minds and personallities that have the courage and intellect to ask some of the most feared questions, this requires much integrity and a strong faith in mankind. It is a dangerous mestake to choose sdes at this point because you could be giving this current adminstration the green light it needs to act with out accountability. As for the arab mentality you talk about in short develops from a distrust of the american foreign policy in the middle east which in one way or anther has led to most of the historic and current conflicts. the facts of which do not change but with the lack of information on the motives of these policies the arab mind grows inpatient to an explanation. explanations you call concpeircy theories. at the end of the day are the arabs suppose to trust the american versions of the truth? are they suppose to forget all the lies that were perpetrated in the past? how could we blame the victims for the distrust? when the dust settles history will tell. 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